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A senior US state department official has said that the US has shown "arrogance and stupidity" in Iraq.
Alberto Fernandez's made the remarks during an interview with Arabic television station al-Jazeera.

The state department says Mr Fernandez was quoted incorrectly - but BBC Arabic language experts say Mr Fernandez did indeed use the words.

It comes after President George W Bush discussed changing tactics with top US commanders to try to combat the unrest.
But how can this be? Mr. Bush was only following instructions from god -- he said so. Has god been lying to Mr. Bush?

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Jesus man, I you trying to kill her? Remember your tolerance levels!

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Jesus man, I you trying to kill her? Remember your tolerance levels!
Nah--I prolly got him beat in that department. Hell, I tolerate you lot, don't I?
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Nah--I prolly got him beat in that department. Hell, I tolerate you lot, don't I?
My thought exactly. I'm pretty sure you'd be the last one standing.

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Ahem. Back to the matter at hand.

Iraq death toll report defended by researchers
Group: Estimate of up to 794,000 civilian deaths based on sound methods
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Updated: 10:03 p.m. ET Oct 21, 2006
LOS ANGELES - A controversial estimate by public health experts that hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died because of the March 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq is likely an accurate assessment, researchers said on Saturday.

“Over the last 25 years, this sort of methodology has been used more and more often, especially by relief agencies in times of emergency,” said Dr. David Rush, a professor and epidemiologist at Tufts University in Boston.

The study, published earlier this month by the Lancet medical journal, employed a method known as “cluster sampling” in which data are collected through interviews with randomly selected households.

Critics, including President George W. Bush, have said the results are not credible, but Rush said traditional methods for determining death rates, such as counting bodies, are highly inaccurate for civilian populations in times of war.

Researchers from Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore and Al Mustansiriya University in Baghdad estimated with 95 percent certainty that the war and its aftermath have resulted in the deaths of between 426,000 and 794,000 Iraqis.

Other estimates have calculated the number of extra Iraqi deaths to be much lower. The Iraq Body Count Database calculates that between 43,850 and 48,693 extra civilians have died since the invasion.

Rush, speaking at a meeting in Los Angeles on the medical consequences of the Iraq war, said that the relatively small size of the sample -- 1,849 households -- doesn’t change the findings, although it does widen the “confidence limits,” hence the large range of the estimated additional deaths.

In addition, the biases inherent in cluster sampling, such as wording of questionnaires, would tend to undercount, rather than inflate, the number of deaths, Rush said.

“I think this is an extremely credible study,” said Michael Intriligator, professor of economics at the University of California at Los Angeles.

Intriligator, who said he commonly uses cluster sampling in his own work, noted that the study’s most remarkable finding was the death rates in the country have risen from 5.5 per thousand Iraqis per year before the invasion to 13.2 per thousand per year as of the study’s July cutoff.

In addition to violence, death rates in Iraq are on the rise because of threats to public health, including poorly equipped hospitals, said activist Dr. Dahlia Wasfi.

“The affects on the civilian population of the war in Iraq have been grossly underestimated,” said Jonathan Parfrey, executive director of the Los Angeles chapter of Physicians for Social Responsibility.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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