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Kirk it's like this. Your harp has one string. I'll give you credit for your ability to pluck that sucker with damn-near anything that comes to hand, but the tune is monotonous.

Put another way, your camera is the finest but has the one 15 mm lense and your film is panchromatic in a Kodachrome world.

Lighten-up.

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Botnst, you have the worst case of psychological transference I've ever seen. You should be the subject of the next Lancet study.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Botnst, you have the worst case of psychological transference I've ever seen. You should be the subject of the next Lancet study.
That's as maybe. Perhaps it gives me a greater understanding of your own perspective and your apparent reluctance to acknowledge it.

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PS You still need to lighten-up.
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When the death and murder Iraq ceases, so shall I. This is the blog of a young Iraqi girl, who lives in the world you and the rest of Bush and his supporters created in Iraq:

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

Have you no sense of shame for what you all have done here? I myself, am outraged this was done in my name, as an American citizen. It is sad the same is not true for you. This was not an act of justice. It was an an act of profligacy.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address

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When the death and murder Iraq ceases, so shall I.
Now you're being modest.

You'll find another cause with the Democrat Party as the noble solution.

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Now you're being modest.

You'll find another cause with the Democrat Party as the noble solution.

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i'm sure he will but for the time being this is the drum he is beating.. me likey.



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i'm sure he will but for the time being this is the drum he is beating.. me likey.
Your metaphor is EXACTLY on point and I completely agree.

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Your metaphor is EXACTLY on point and I completely agree.

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I do not get the impression that the majority of the anti Iraq war faction who post in BW are flying a party flag.
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I do not get the impression that the majority of the anti Iraq war faction who post in BW are flying a party flag.
A difficult point to argue either way, so I wont.

There are a few, like KV, who are very forthrightly and quite honestly party guys.

IMO, the party-line concept in the USA is deteriorating. It started back in the 1960's when the twin stressors of Vietnam and civil rights fractured the Democrat Party. Then Watergate visited the same honor on Repos. Both Carter and Reagan took advantage of the fracturing and substituted narrow-perspective special interest coalitions. Party lines were not effectively redrawn until Clinton vs the Repos in which Clinton "triangulated" the Repo-supporting coalitions and sheared many of them and into his domain. The wacky-lefty Democrats stupidly alienated them in the run-up to the 2000 election. The wacky-lefties did the same stupid thing in 2004 with the same predictable result. They are the ones who engineered Lieberman's primary defeat. They could very easily engineer a similar fate in 2008.

IOW, most people now believe it a virtue NOT to have party loyalty. Their embrasure of quasi-independent thought is when they excuse themselves by saying, "I vote for the best candidate." How noble. Yes folks, that was sarcasm.

To me, that quasi-independence just cowardly begs the questions: Just what are the standards these people hold, by which they value the candidate? And, what self-delusion makes them think that the trained-monkey they see on a 10 sec TV commercial or news program could possibly provide them with the insight needed to make a judgment concerning their adherence to their nebulous ideals?

That is one of the benefits of party alignment. You join a party of like-minded people and trust that they will know the candidates sufficiently to assure compliance with party principles. If one doesn't trust the party to do that, better go with a party that reflects your own beliefs.

Or sit in righteous indignation that your "best man for the job" has gone to bed with the enemy without your permission. Ie, John McCain, Joe Leiberman, and James Jeffords.

Feeling betrayed? It's your own damned fault for putting your faith in men.

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When the death and murder Iraq ceases, so shall I. This is the blog of a young Iraqi girl, who lives in the world you and the rest of Bush and his supporters created in Iraq:

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/

Have you no sense of shame for what you all have done here? I myself, am outraged this was done in my name, as an American citizen. It is sad the same is not true for you. This was not an act of justice. It was an an act of profligacy.
Spare me the rhetorical flourishes. You know that I am not a repo supporter. The only thing I have in common with them is the deposing of Saddam. I am far more of a freemarketeer than any Republicrat would want anywhere near their parties. I'm also on the opposite side of the fence (so to speak) from both of them concerning illegal aliens.

See, this is a clue as to why I agree that you guys have the same drum beat. Drums are monochromatic instruments. You and Z and many others on this forum are single-issue fanatics. I understand why you feel strongly as you do but I find fanaticism unappealing.

The thing about fanatics is that they are intolerant of opposing views and think that anybody who disagrees is evil or duped. Or both.

Monotonic.

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