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here's an interesting perspective:

But if we go just below the surface of the all of these audience numbers, we find something else that's interesting. While only a percentage point separates the Pew Center's listenership numbers for talk radio and National Public Radio - (though the definition used for talk radio might readily be applied to many programs on NPR member stations), the shape of the audiences is quite different.

According to the Pew Center's survey when compared with the average talk-radio listener, the NPR listener is younger and more likely to say he or she is a Democrat. Fully 41% of talk-radio listeners say they are Republican, only 28% Democrats. The numbers virtually invert themselves when we look at the listenership of NPR, a radio network largely thought of as "liberal' in its viewpoint. Fully 41% of NPR listeners identify themselves as Democrats, 24% as Republicans.5

And here we have a trend that appears to be moving its way through the news media. American media audiences appear increasingly to be seeking out those media outlets that speak to their viewpoints and ideas. The niche formatting of radio, where a listener can select an all-news station, and the surgical-precision of formatting on satellite radio, where a listener can select a conservative, pro-gun, talk-radio station, makes this media particularly well suited to this kind of self-segregation.

But content might be only part of the radio audience discussion; the method of delivery also seems to play a significant role.

Data suggest that one reason NPR skews younger is that many of its affiliates are on the FM dial. Research has shown that an AM talk or news station, simulcasting the same content over an FM station, most likely has two different audiences - an older AM audience and an FM audience 10 years younger. Moreover - and this has surprised many radio insiders - a station simulcasting the same content on line will find that that audience is 10 years younger than its FM audience. In other words, it's not that there are no young people tuning in to news/talk radio. It just might be that they are streaming content, not scanning the AM dial.

So with radio listenership largely maintaining its steady picture, the question about radio audience may soon be moving beyond who is listening and how many of them are listening to how they're listening.

Entire article here: http://www.stateofthenewsmedia.org/2...?cat=3&media=8

Graph indicates percent of listeners by age group.
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I have listened on several occasions this fall when I was working in New Jersey.
Heard Frankin(sp) and Rhodes(sp) and one other broadcaster.
They seem to play a ton of little skits or parodies.
I listen to NPR mostly but even they tend to be biased.
NPR is the only left-wing program that has lasted, and that is only because it is government/taxpayer subsidized. They would not be on the air today if they were not--much the same as PBS could never survive on its own merits.

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It is also very well done.

The problem with Botnst's "get an audience" spiel is that it means that the only voice that will be heard on the public airways is that of the majority. Since the public owns the airwaves, minority viewpoints should have a place to be represented.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Al Franken is pretty pissed and can be hardcore. He went from pure satirist to wanting to fight the rightwing radio which I think was a waste of time and energy.

NPR is usually pretty balanced but can, at times tip toward the left. It depends on subject matter. I remember during the Clinton era that many folks on the left stopped donating because they thought that it was biased against the left.

I think NPR just tends to point out weaknesses, problems, errors or ethical issues with both parties and it just seems more obvious when the party in power is the target.
The idea that NPR is a "voice of moderation" is just nutz!
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It is also very well done.

The problem with Botnst's "get an audience" spiel is that it means that the only voice that will be heard on the public airways is that of the majority. Since the public owns the airwaves, minority viewpoints should have a place to be represented.
Why should radio and TV be any different from any other medium?
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I just don't think that a liberal radio net would really work. Only way would be to have a lottery contest for people to listen to right wing radio like Rush and Hannity and O'Really and then call in with all the, lets just call them "factual errors" and the winner who points out the biggest pile of BS of the day gets a prize with all the others getting something for just playing.

Sorta like the State of the Union Drinking Game where everyone takes a shot every time The Great Obfuscator lies, or mispronounces a word, or brings up 9/11, or says nuk-qu-lar, or that we are winning in Iraq. Those are FIVE contests, by the way, if they were just one, no one would make it past the first 10 minutes before hitting the floor.
You guys just don't get it! It's the message!! The reason that Rush and Hannity and O'Really are successful is because they are saying what most people believe and want to hear--and they are being honest! It is not about personalities, or contests, or interviews. It is about the message! It is not about the messenger! It is about the message! And the left-wing is not connecting because no one wants to hear their message--and they are being dishonest! It is the same reason that President Bush was elected president: His message resonates w/ most people and he comes across as honest--albeit a bit inarticulate, which I think most people also relate to.

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I'll assume you were out bowling rather than watching the first Kerry/Bush debate. In comparison, Dan Quayle looked like a prodigal genius during his debate with Lloyd Bentsen a few years prior...
FWIW, I've never heard Kerry claim to be smarter than anyone. Perhaps you could post a link......
There are a lot of people out there that can't put into words what they are thinking as quickly or with as much flourish as others, that hardly makes them stupid, less educated, or less intelligent. Whether or not I watched the debate has little effect on how I perceive the parties involved. If you were around when the Nixon/Kennedy debates, you might recall that those who heard the debate on the radio rated Nixon as the hands down winner of that event, while those that saw it on the TV rated Kennedy the winner by a small margin.
Where as you may not have heard Kerry actually say the words, his campaign team and the Democrat Party certainly had no problem claiming he was a stupid man. His collage grades were the equal to Kerry's at all levels, which isn't bad if he was the drunken drug addict that some here like to claim. Got to wonder what he would have done if he were clean and sober.
So what's the problem, you have something negative to say about bowlers too?

"Negotiating with Obama is like playing chess with a pigeon, the pigeon knocks over all the pieces, on the board and then struts around like it won the game."
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You guys just don't get it! It's the message!! The reason that Rush and Hannity and O'Really are successful is because they are saying what most people believe and want to hear--and they are being honest! It is not about personalities, or contests, or interviews. It is about the message! It is not about the messenger! It is about the message! And the left-wing is not connecting because no one wants to hear their message--and they are being dishonest! It is the same reason that President Bush was elected president: His message resonates w/ most people and he comes across as honest--albeit a bit inarticulate, which I think most people also relate to.
They both hear and understand the message, they just refuse to believe that anyone could possibly have an opinion that differs from theirs, and still be a walking, talking, rational human being.

"Negotiating with Obama is like playing chess with a pigeon, the pigeon knocks over all the pieces, on the board and then struts around like it won the game."
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There are a lot of people out there that can't put into words what they are thinking as quickly or with as much flourish as others, that hardly makes them stupid, less educated, or less intelligent. Whether or not I watched the debate has little effect on how I perceive the parties involved. If you were around when the Nixon/Kennedy debates, you might recall that those who heard the debate on the radio rated Nixon as the hands down winner of that event, while those that saw it on the TV rated Kennedy the winner by a small margin.
Where as you may not have heard Kerry actually say the words, his campaign team and the Democrat Party certainly had no problem claiming he was a stupid man. His collage grades were the equal to Kerry's at all levels, which isn't bad if he was the drunken drug addict that some here like to claim. Got to wonder what he would have done if he were clean and sober.
So what's the problem, you have something negative to say about bowlers too?
There are people who are extremely gifted at presenting information about which they have no personal knowledge whatsoever. Yet they present the information extremely convincingly.

For example, would you rather see Alec Baldwin portray an heroic figure or Audie Murphy?
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In different circumstances Mr. Murphy would have been considered a homicidal maniac with Napoleon Syndrome.

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