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On this forum, that means I am the only person in touch with reality.

It takes a long swim in the river of denial to forget about what Clinton, carter, Albright, and Berger did to get us into this mess.
They're just pissed because there is a slightly positive effect for the Republicans! It does help to force the drive-by media to look at something else, besides their goal of getting democrats elected by pounding Republicans. Sometimes even the best laid plans of a bunch of wackos will eventually go awry just at the wrong time...

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Yes. He is. A useful idiot. He brokered the 1994 framework.

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Is this guy BHD? His broken record "blame Clinton" schtick sounds awfully familiar.
Put down the bong and turn up you hearing aid.

Blame CARTER.

Clinton sent him as a private citizen to broker the 1994 framework so he (Clinton) could have plausible denialbility.

Albright and Carter are the real culprits.
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Despite the mounting evidence of North Korean efforts to acquire centrifuge technology, and intelligence findings that confirmed these judgments, the Bush administration initially avoided public disclosure of these findings and opted not to raise these concerns in discussions with Pyongyang. In a later interview Secretary of State Powell acknowledged that he had been apprised of the intelligence assessments before he met with his North Korean counterpart in Brunei at the end of July, conceding that "this enriched uranium program was going on. . . . Nevertheless, we wanted to move forward with the North Koreans."57 It seems quite probable that the administration, wholly absorbed by the looming possibilities of war with Iraq, did not want to be distracted by developments in other regions, no matter how worrisome some may have judged the possibilities. But the fact that North Korea had no operational enrichment capability and was years away from achieving one may have convinced officials that there was no urgency to the issue. It is thus possible that the administration had not yet decided on a preferred course of action. In either case, the new findings did not appear immediately to affect U.S. policy toward the North.

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In the aftermath of this open contention, the administration soon made its decision: the United States, with the concurrence of the ROK and Japan, opted to suspend further heavy-fuel-oil deliveries to the DPRK.80 This decision proved fateful. A week later Pyongyang declared that the Agreed Framework had collapsed, arguing that the deliveries were the only portion of the agreement that the United States had ever carried out.81 An IAEA resolution of 29 November urging the North's immediate compliance with its nonproliferation obligations was brusquely rejected in a 2 December letter from Foreign Minister Paik Nam Soon to Mohamed ElBaradei, general director of the IAEA Board of Governors.82 On 12 December, the DPRK Foreign Ministry spokesman, claiming acute energy shortages following suspension of the fuel oil shipments, declared that the North would end its commitment to the Agreed Framework, restart operations at its mothballed nuclear facilities, and resume construction of the larger reactors suspended in 1994.83

Had its ongoing activities not been halted, North Korea would have ultimately developed the means to fabricate significant numbers of nuclear weapons.

The 12 December announcement initiated a succession of audacious, unilateral actions that in a matter of weeks began to roll back much of North Korea's eight years of nuclear restraint. In rapid succession, North Korea requested on 13 December that the IAEA withdraw its seals and cameras from the DPRK's declared facilities; stated on 19 December that the Agreed Framework now existed "in name only"; removed or otherwise disabled the locks and monitoring equipment at the reactor, cooling pond, fuel fabrication plant, and reprocessing facility-all between 21 and 24 December; announced the intended expulsion of the IAEA inspectors on 27 December, even as the inspectors reported that two thousand fresh fuel rods had already been loaded into the reactor; and notified the IAEA of its intention to reactivate its fuel reprocessing facility within several months, purportedly to ensure the safety of spent fuel rods that would be removed and stored following their use in the reactivated reactor and (once completed) in the larger reactors, where construction was expected to resume.

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By discarding the Agreed Framework, the United States and North Korea decided that they preferred living with future uncertainties and dangers to sustaining or modifying an imperfect formula that had capped Pyongyang's nascent nuclear-weapons program for nearly a decade. Over the longer run, it is possible that a successor to the 1994 accord addressing the declared concerns of both countries and of neighboring states might reconstitute previous constraints. At this writing, however, neither state exhibits much interest in such an outcome. Should Washington and Pyongyang adhere to the equivalent of default options as their long-term policies, a declared North Korean nuclear-weapons capability and the severest of future crises could yet loom. One or both states might ultimately be sobered by these possibilities, but this realization is not at hand.

http://www.army.mil/professionalwrit...03/8_03_1.html

a little something out of the War College detailing the 1994 Agreed Framework and how Bush and his merry band of idiots fucked it all up.

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By discarding the Agreed Framework, the United States and North Korea decided that they preferred living with future uncertainties and dangers to sustaining or modifying an imperfect formula that had capped Pyongyang's nascent nuclear-weapons program for nearly a decade. Over the longer run, it is possible that a successor to the 1994 accord addressing the declared concerns of both countries and of neighboring states might reconstitute previous constraints. At this writing, however, neither state exhibits much interest in such an outcome. Should Washington and Pyongyang adhere to the equivalent of default options as their long-term policies, a declared North Korean nuclear-weapons capability and the severest of future crises could yet loom. One or both states might ultimately be sobered by these possibilities, but this realization is not at hand.

http://www.army.mil/professionalwrit...03/8_03_1.html

a little something out of the War College detailing the 1994 Agreed Framework and how Bush and his merry band of idiots fucked it all up.
Yes. The Army War College does publish all sorts of political thought.

"...By discarding the Agreed Framework, the United States and North Korea decided that they preferred living with future uncertainties and dangers to sustaining or modifying an imperfect formula..."

That says it all.

How about "when the US and Japan decided to discard peace as an option they decided that they preferred living with war instead of..."

I am not surprised that the moral equivalence drawn by the author makes sense to you. North Korea broke the agreement. They lied to the Clinton Administration. Clinton, Carter, Albright, and Berger IN GOOD FAITH tried to work with communist thugs. They put their trust in communist thugs and they got screwed.

Yet you blame them as much as you blame the North Koreans.

I believe that they were naive to trust North Korea.

You are claiming complicity.

That is the most damning indictment since the Path to 9-11.
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Did you read the article? I know it's longer than a bumper sticker or a Newsmax article but take the time.

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That is funny, got a real chuckle out of that. BTW, I never voted for Clinton, have voted pro republican more in the past than democrat, and voted many times for an independent. I just see the current administration as anything but conservative and scarily radical enough that I will always vote against it.
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