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Too little protection, too slow a recovery. There really is no other way to ultimately view this; don't kid yourself, patriots died.
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Dramatic new video shows Halliburton contractors under fire in Iraq
http://www.abc4.com/local_news/local...6-5224094EE7F5

"They left. They, I don't know where they went, they're nowhere to be seen," Wheeler said. Wheeler says it was 45 minutes before a U.S. military force returned.

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Wheeler was hit by two AK-47 rounds and suffered serious damage to his right arm. Two months after the ambush, Halliburton notified him he was fired, citing a "work-related" injury.
Are you completely clueless?

You should be screaming about what the civilian contractors get away with in Iraq. But your hatred for Bush and the US military clouds your vision.

This is pathetic.
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Definitely a bad day for Halliburton. That said, these guys are paid insane amounts of money. A friend who owns a security company was approached by Blackwater to supply armed guards and the offer was roughly $1000 per day per guard not including his cut.
These guys, armed or unarmed(crazy) know the risk when they sign up and that getting injured on the job constitutes dismissal.
In the video you can see all hell breaks loose so your first reaction would be get the hell out of there, why the last vehicle was not military is the real question.
Exactly.

I know two guys, both ex-military, who have spent time as private security for various NGO and Iraqi government officials. Both lasted six months and despite making about $250k a piece, one won't go back.

Too dangerous? That was only part of the problem. One of them had a real problem with the "rules of engagement". They were explicitly instructed to NEVER STOP their vehicles. In other words, RUN OVER ANYONE WHO GETS IN THE WAY.

The irony of hitting someone with your SUV to "protect" the head of a non-profit AID organization was not lost on my friend.

The other one told of sighting in his new rifle by hunting people wearing shirts advertising support of Muqtada Al Sadr (sp?) when they were designated enemy combatants. That made them "fair game". This guy reported to no one on his days off. This was between one and two years ago, so I have no idea how things have changed.

The active military hates these private security guys because of the havoc they wreak and because they know how much they are getting paid in the process.
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Are you completely clueless?

You should be screaming about what the civilian contractors get away with in Iraq. But your hatred for Bush and the US military clouds your vision.

This is pathetic.
Yes, the whole situation is pathetic. We should never have gone in, and once there, we went in so unprepared and with such a small force we had to hire mercenaries through Haliburton/KBR to supplement the forces. Yes the situation is pathetic, and we should insist the constant fumbling and wasting of lives and treasure be halted, and that those responsible be held accountable. Jim
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Yes, the whole situation is pathetic. We should never have gone in, and once there, we went in so unprepared and with such a small force we had to hire mercenaries through Haliburton/KBR to supplement the forces. Yes the situation is pathetic, and we should insist the constant fumbling and wasting of lives and treasure be halted, and that those responsible be held accountable. Jim
In other words: "Arms are for hugging"

Just let the adults take care of this.

That will free up more of your time for gay-bashing.
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Again, you don't get it do you? The biggest mistake was the total breakdown in securing the convoy through first planning, execution and now the cover up. Bruce if you are doubting whatever I said, just be patient and try to keep up with the news on this item. I will even wager you a steak since we live close by that when the dust settles it will be found that there was gross negligence. So why don't you sit the hell down for now instead of dictating to the whole forum what I am or shoot down my "ability" to see shit when it stinks. Can you do that?
Take it easy there big fella. The incident is over the military has made their decisions based on guage's post, and it's highly unlikely that it will change it's collective mind due to some disgruntled civilian's partial video of what happened. I AM being patient, I'm giving my opinion just as you are giving yours. Neither one of us was there. You are stating what you think should have happened based on what you saw, and a "gut" feel. I am basing my opinion on what I saw and sound military practice. As far as sitting down, I don't think that I will do that, I have a right to speak just as you do, and I will state that position if I think I am right just as you do. I do not and could not dictate anything to this forum, and you are what you are, no more, no less. I shoot down what I think is wrong or baseless, just as you would. If you have a problem with that, it certainly isn't my problem is it.......

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In other words: "Arms are for hugging"

Just let the adults take care of this.

That will free up more of your time for gay-bashing.
I think there is alot of truth to the statement that American forces in Iraq were not ready for this type of occupiation. In light of what Iraq did or rather did not have I almost think you guys invaded the wrong country.
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I think there is alot of truth to the statement that American forces in Iraq were not ready for this type of occupiation. In light of what Iraq did or rather did not have I almost think you guys invaded the wrong country.
You may be right. Only history will tell.

But please understand that that has nothing to do with the hatred of our country spewed on this board by some. Sometimes idiocy and absurdity need to be called out for what it is.

The motives attributed to the current administration are ridiculous.
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The motives attributed to the current administration are ridiculous.
Are you suggesting that Dick Cheney is a moron? It's 'stupid' or 'evil' -- take your pick.

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Are you completely clueless?

You should be screaming about what the civilian contractors get away with in Iraq. But your hatred for Bush and the US military clouds your vision.

This is pathetic.
I think you are not just a Kool-Aid drinker but a bottom scum sucker. Never have I wavered my support to my troops and true patriots. Get your facts straight or STFU. Our best support for our troops should be 1000% assistance in doing their job materially and through competent leadership. We are not seeing either being supplied in a normal fashion regardless of how most right wingers that control the spending say about their support to our troops. So if you are not willing to pay for it, please bring them home and remove that sticker off your car you fkin hypocrite. Did I make myself clear?
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