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Clearly they did not quit their post, or we would not be having this discussion.

Bwahahahaha! How do you figure? If that would have been Bush,Rummy or Cheney in the convoy,heads would be rollin' now with some field court martials!

Now,what were their orders? To escort right? Were they properly relieved (35 minutes)? I find it hard to believe that run and hide is protocol these days!

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In the only poll that has ever made a difference about anything, about 51% clearly understood the president and about 49% didn't.
Bot, please cite evidence of any clear enunciation of the President's motives. Merely winning an election clouded with gay marriage, abortion and "family values" arguments posed by a Party that is presently plagued by child sex abuse and coverup allegations, with a drumbeat of terrorist fear mongering is not evidence of a clear enunciation of motives for the starting and then engineering the quagmire in Iraq. Jim
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Bwahahahaha! How do you figure? If that would have been Bush,Rummy or Cheney in the convoy,heads would be rollin' now with some field court martials!

Now,what were their orders? To escort right? Were they properly relieved (35 minutes)? I find it hard to believe that run and hide is protocol these days!
You have a brilliant mind for the obvious.
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You have a brilliant mind for the obvious.
So in your opinion I'm incorrect?

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If they ran away why is this guy not dead?
How come they did not lose the whole load/convoy?
What kept the hijackers away?
What happen to truck 1,2 &3?

"There was an investigation conducted immediately following the attack that was concluded about a month after the attack. The investigation documents the actions of individuals prior to and during the convoy, and following the attack until the quick reaction force (QRF) arrived. The investigation documented that the individuals at the front of the convoy reacted as they were taught by pushing forward and getting out of the kill zone of the ambush. What is not visible in the video being shown is that they collected the casualties they could reach and laid down suppressive fire with their weapons to help get those vehicles that could move from the front of the convoy out of the kill zone. Once they were out of the kill zone, they set up security, called for the QRF, called for close air support, called a medevac for the casualties, and directed the movements of other gun trucks further back in the convoy. They helped direct two gun trucks, as well as a recovery vehicle, to maneuver up to two of the KBR vehicles that had wounded civilians in them and extract them. They were able to retrieve the wounded civilians from their vehicles while under enemy fire. During the entire time, the convoy was attacked with a heavy volume of small arms fire, rocket propelled grenades and hand grenades. Attack aviation arrived on scene approximately 20 minutes after the start of the attack. The ground QRF arrived on scene approximately 30-35 minutes after the start of the attack. The actions of the unit saved numerous lives during this attack. The investigation actually recognized the valorous actions of one Soldier and one civilian and recommended they be submitted for awards commensurate with their actions. At no time did any individuals abandon the convoy. They fought back bravely while waiting for reinforcements and attending to the casualties. We grieve the loss of any life, and what happened that day was tragic. But the events had the potential to be even more tragic, with an even greater loss of life, if not for the actions of members of that unit."

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If they ran away why is this guy not dead?
How come they did not lose the whole load/convoy?
What kept the hijackers away?
What happen to truck 1,2 &3?

"There was an investigation conducted immediately following the attack that was concluded about a month after the attack. The investigation documents the actions of individuals prior to and during the convoy, and following the attack until the quick reaction force (QRF) arrived. The investigation documented that the individuals at the front of the convoy reacted as they were taught by pushing forward and getting out of the kill zone of the ambush. What is not visible in the video being shown is that they collected the casualties they could reach and laid down suppressive fire with their weapons to help get those vehicles that could move from the front of the convoy out of the kill zone. Once they were out of the kill zone, they set up security, called for the QRF, called for close air support, called a medevac for the casualties, and directed the movements of other gun trucks further back in the convoy. They helped direct two gun trucks, as well as a recovery vehicle, to maneuver up to two of the KBR vehicles that had wounded civilians in them and extract them. They were able to retrieve the wounded civilians from their vehicles while under enemy fire. During the entire time, the convoy was attacked with a heavy volume of small arms fire, rocket propelled grenades and hand grenades. Attack aviation arrived on scene approximately 20 minutes after the start of the attack. The ground QRF arrived on scene approximately 30-35 minutes after the start of the attack. The actions of the unit saved numerous lives during this attack. The investigation actually recognized the valorous actions of one Soldier and one civilian and recommended they be submitted for awards commensurate with their actions. At no time did any individuals abandon the convoy. They fought back bravely while waiting for reinforcements and attending to the casualties. We grieve the loss of any life, and what happened that day was tragic. But the events had the potential to be even more tragic, with an even greater loss of life, if not for the actions of members of that unit."

Ah yes,the copy and paste response Didn't see that coming

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Well I could have posted some hypothetical situations of What Ifs
quote=nutz4benz] If that would have been Bush,Rummy or Cheney in the convoy,
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Bwahahahaha! How do you figure? If that would have been Bush,Rummy or Cheney in the convoy,heads would be rollin' now with some field court martials!
Now,what were their orders? To escort right? Were they properly relieved (35 minutes)? I find it hard to believe that run and hide is protocol these days!
So Nutz, since you know all the answers, why don't you tell us just EXACTLY what happened from start to finish. Tell us just exactly who did what, and when they did it. Do you have the ARMY report in your hand? Can you tell us which individual was lying, and who told the truth (by name of course)?
Just like everyone else here all you can go by is what ABC reported, and then you guess based on you predjuiced viewpoint, isn't that right? Do you know someone who was there getting shot at, what was his name? Anything?
Another armchair warrior, with 20/20 hindsight strikes again!!!!

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So Nutz, since you know all the answers, why don't you tell us just EXACTLY what happened from start to finish. Tell us just exactly who did what, and when they did it. Do you have the ARMY report in your hand? Can you tell us which individual was lying, and who told the truth (by name of course)?
Just like everyone else here all you can go by is what ABC reported, and then you guess based on you predjuiced viewpoint, isn't that right? Do you know someone who was there getting shot at, what was his name? Anything?
Another armchair warrior, with 20/20 hindsight strikes again!!!!

What I seen is that they left unarmed US civilians to fend for themselves which resulted in their deaths. Why even send an escort if this is what they are ordered to do in the event of an ambush? I just call it like I see it

Furthermore,why transport on the roads when a couple of Chinooks could be used,rather than unnecessarily putting our troops and civilians in harms way?It's not like Halliburton can't afford it !!!

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Bot, please cite evidence of any clear enunciation of the President's motives. Merely winning an election clouded with gay marriage, abortion and "family values" arguments posed by a Party that is presently plagued by child sex abuse and coverup allegations, with a drumbeat of terrorist fear mongering is not evidence of a clear enunciation of motives for the starting and then engineering the quagmire in Iraq. Jim
Uh Jim, the point is that 51% of the people believed they understood the president. 49% believed they did not.

It would be more than presumptuous of me to undertake an educational mission of demonstrably insurmountable opposition. For that reason, I demure.

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