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Yeah, don't worry about what Von Vorschlag says, he's only a bloody damned Johnny foreigner in any case.
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Calm down roadsession. You have to learn not to take anything seriously and word for word in the OT. Nothing they say is the least bit serious (and smart) anyway.
I lived in Asia for 10 years.
It taught me a lot about what things offend Asians.
I discovered most Asians aren't vocal about racially offensive statements or callous unthinking statements - NOT out of timidness, but because they don't want to dignify such crap.

I enjoy the OT section for it's rants and humor as much as the next guy - we can go after one another's political views, philosphical positions, etc, but I truly believe racial stereotyping - or making fun of a race - especially on things characteristics people are born with - has no place here.
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I lived in Asia for 10 years.
It taught me a lot about what things offend Asians.
I discovered most Asians aren't vocal about racially offensive statements or callous unthinking statements - NOT out of timidness, but because they don't want to dignify such crap.

I enjoy the OT section for it's rants and humor as much as the next guy - we can go after one another's political views, philosphical positions, etc, but I truly believe racial stereotyping - or making fun of a race - especially on things characteristics people are born with - has no place here.
To be certain, racism in China is much more subtle. The Tibetans who are now realizing a surge in tourism (post completion of a new train connecting them to more populous areas of China) complain of people coming there who are "unclean" or "lazy". In essence, they're as irritated at some of the new visitors to Tibet as it could be said Hawaiians were at Americans as we flowed to the islands in the 1940's.
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To be certain, racism in China is much more subtle. The Tibetans who are now realizing a surge in tourism (post completion of a new train connecting them to more populous areas of China) complain of people coming there who are "unclean" or "lazy". In essence, they're as irritated at some of the new visitors to Tibet as it could be said Hawaiians were at Americans as we flowed to the islands in the 1940's.
to be clear - von vorschlag's comments are racist because it targets a RACE - Asians.

What you're describing is discrimination - similar to the discrimination former east germans (ossies as they were called) by west germans who characterize them as unclean and lazy. Equally bad - but not the same thing.

And btw, if it was the same thing - are you saying because some chinese people discrimate against tibetans that it's ok for Vorschlag to be racist?
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I lived in Asia for 10 years.
It taught me a lot about what things offend Asians.
I discovered most Asians aren't vocal about racially offensive statements or callous unthinking statements - NOT out of timidness, but because they don't want to dignify such crap.

I enjoy the OT section for it's rants and humor as much as the next guy - we can go after one another's political views, philosphical positions, etc, but I truly believe racial stereotyping - or making fun of a race - especially on things characteristics people are born with - has no place here.
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If he were Asian he would have a better sense of humour.I bet he's German. ;-)
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If he were Asian he would have a better sense of humour.I bet he's German. ;-)

LOL!
Some clues: I lived in Asia for 10 years, Europe for 10 years (Germany for 5 of those years), South America for 5 years, the US for 10 years.....
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to be clear - von vorschlag's comments are racist because it targets a RACE - Asians.

What you're describing is discrimination - similar to the discrimination former east germans (ossies as they were called) by west germans who characterize them as unclean and lazy. Equally bad - but not the same thing.

And btw, if it was the same thing - are you saying because some chinese people discrimate against tibetans that it's ok for Vorschlag to be racist?
No, not at all...just wanted to offer up the point that racism/discrimination knows no bounds. There's a global image of Asians being very polite, respectful, passive (almost submissive), and introverted...this week's lesson from current events: "Don't judge a book by it's cover."
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Some clues: I lived in Asia for 10 years, Europe for 10 years (Germany for 5 of those years), South America for 5 years, the US for 10 years.....
You're Asian, German (some other 5 years worth of European), South American, and American? Oh and you're 35 years old?

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No, not at all...just wanted to offer up the point that racism/discrimination knows no bounds. There's a global image of Asians being very polite, respectful, passive (almost submissive), and introverted...this week's lesson from current events: "Don't judge a book by it's cover."
Not sure I would lump "very polite and respectful" in the list of racial attributes that describe Asians. Partly because I think it is another useless attempt to stereotype, and partly because my personal experience says it is not true.

My personal experience while on travel indicates they have their customs, which they abide by rather inflexibly. When their customs clash with the customs of others, Asians are no more likely to notice their behavior is out of line than, say, the Ugly Americans. So, like any other group, Asians are pretty well represented by the good, the bad and the ugly and to suggest otherwise is, well, racist.

A specific example - traveling by air in some of the European airports where a bus lets off all the passengers getting on the specific plane out on the paved area of the airport where planes park. Lining up in single file is not an Asian custom, apparently, among some Asians. So, they butt in at the foot of the stairs, coming at 90 degrees to the rest of the non-Asians lined up single file, aimed at the stairway. Even though they have assigned seats and only the number people getting on the plane are on the bus so there is no reason for anxiety over getting your seat before the plane leaves.

There are other peculiarities, especially in the technical aspect of doing business with Asians. I have learned it is the Americans or Europeans in those cases who must adapt to the Asian customs even when the Asians are not the customer.

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