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Yeah, nothing like being a proud thief. If you can't be trusted with something inexpensive what is to say you can be trusted with something of value?

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What you are calling thievery is highly debatable. How can it be illegal for some people to SHARE their files? Care to take the opposite view, eh? Leave it to you to be quick to point what you perceive as wrong doing.
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Just a thought, but the fact that it is referred to as "pirated music" signals it's not lawful.

In any event I don't listen to music I don't purchase or for which I otherwise don't have a license. I have thousands of mp3 files all converted from CDs that I own -- with the exception of the few I've purchased. (And you'd better believe I retained my receipts for those purchases, just to be sure.)

Were I a musician, you can bet that I'd want to get my royalties from legitimate music sales and would support the recording industries' efforts to stamp out pirated music. For those musicians who voluntarily make their music freely available, the more power to them as well. The whole point is that it's the musician's property and it's their decision; just because you buy a cd doesn't give you unfettered rights to their creative genius.

Instead of big fines, whenever they find pirated music, they should change the laws to confiscate any device on which it rests. Once people start losing their laptops, desktops and ipods that would make a pretty big impact. Those items could be recycled and given to inner city schools, kids and clubs.

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I pretty much only listen to MP3's I have from CD's I purchased as a nightclub owner/DJ, or stations I've made on Pandora. Of course, there are MP3's that one receives as gifts....I'd return them, but music stores won't take them back.

For what it's worth, right now I'm on a primarily jazz based station I defined. "I Can't Give You Anything But Love" by Carla Cook. There'll probably be some Chris Botti on in a bit.
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What you are calling thievery is highly debatable. ...
Not according to the Supreme Court of the USA. I'll just bet that the EU frowns on it, too.

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Not according to the Supreme Court of the USA. I'll just bet that the EU frowns on it, too.

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But do tell what is wrong with sharing music. Someone buys the CD, puts it on the internet and then other people can download it. What is directly illegal about that? It is simply sharing. Big business obviously can't allow it to happen but is there really a good argument against it other than upsetting the status quo or organizations set in place?
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Not according to the Supreme Court of the USA. I'll just bet that the EU frowns on it, too.

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Um yeah, Bot, it looks like you're right about the EU. AOL lost a suit for allowing pirated music (in that case MIDI) across it's site: http://www.out-law.com/page-615

More broadly, what's wrong with it is that buying the CD grants you permission to listen to the music on it and to lay it into other formats (tape, mp3, etc.) for your own personal use. In that sense it is more like a license than unrestricted ownership (and very much like computer software). Yes, you do own the actual piece of plastic, but the music on it is still owned by the musician and recording company. The minute you share it, whether through a network service or making copies for your friends, you've violated the law. Whether the RIAA will ever come after you since you're a small fish in a big ocean is a different question, but the issue of it's legality is not in question.

I'm not going to stand in judgment of anyone who decides they want to share music or smoke dope or go 90 down the interstate or ... pretty much whatever. But don't try to rationalize your illegal conduct, just 'fess up. Be bigger than a politician.

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But do tell what is wrong with sharing music. Someone buys the CD, puts it on the internet and then other people can download it. What is directly illegal about that? It is simply sharing. Big business obviously can't allow it to happen but is there really a good argument against it other than upsetting the status quo or organizations set in place?
It's not considered "fair use" by any court's interpretation of copyright law. That's what's wrong with it.
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