Originally Posted by QBNCGAR
I'm getting kind of sick of seeing people call Bush and the administration Nazi's, and leaping to this alarmist "We're going to live in a totalitarian dictatorship" chant every time something new hits the wire.
The presumption that the government is out to get us is patently absurd. The presumption that Bush is on a global campaign to wipe out an entire race (while endeavoring to protect all races here at home) is patently absurd. There exist no analogues to the Nazi movement, to Hitler's actions as a person, to the 3rd Reich, or to any of history's infamous genocidal leaders. We are NOT wantonly collecting EVERYONE of a given race or ethnicity, deporting them to concentration camps, and systematically executing them. American citizens are NOT in wide danger of being rounded up or having the private details of their lives questioned by the state.
Now then, only an idiot would not concede that the execution of the "war on terror" plan hasn't gone as well as it should have. However, to bestow terms like "traitor", "fascist", "nazi", etc. upon the people trying to protect us is equally idiotic, and here's why - there exists no latently evil intention behind the actions being carried out in the name of national security.
Hitler and his followers may have thought they were doing the right thing, but everyone knows they weren't. Neither was Pol Pot. Neither was Mao Ze-Dong, Stalin, Hideki Tojo, Kim Il Sung, Menghistu, Brezhnev, Jean Kambanda, Mullah Omar, Idi Amin, Slobodan Milosevich, or Saddam Hussein. What each of those leaders have in common is a racial or ethnic prejudice, which required FAR LESS careful examination than we exercise, to declare one an 'enemy'. Furthermore, each of those leaders would summarily (or in batch quantities) execute the enemy without trial of ANY sort - fair or otherwise. If this government were acting similarly, you wouldn't be hearing stories of people being detained for years on end, because they'd have been long dead. You are NOT hearing those stories, because this isn't happening.
Each of you are entitled to strong feelings of dissatisfaction with our administration if you so choose. You're entitled to outrage, if you wish, at the appearance of activities that reek of criminality by our leaders. You're encouraged to provide suggestions that are sound and plausible for ways in which such situations could be remedied without sacrificing the safety of American interests.
You cross the line into lunacy when you toss about callous, hateful terminology such as nazi, fascist, etc. when it is so evident to those of us on an even keel that there's not even the appearance of similar intentions.
The most alarming aspect of this argument is the fact that anyone believes the erosion of the Constitution, and our "inalienable rights" is necessary to protect the country. There was no debate about that issue, no case made that clearly established how the upholding of the Constitution and maintainence of our inalienable rights was somehow endangering America.
The case that was made was made with hysteria. There was not a rational sentence uttered from GWB's lips in support of this legislation. No analysis of the threat and the ways to handle it without trampling all over the Constitution. Just speeches about fear, terror and invoking 9-11.
The real issue here is GWB has a record now of lying to us. Or for you thin skinned Republicans out there, misrepresenting the facts. Or misinterpreting them. Or just being incompetent. Why would anyone grant this nincompoop more power to act without Congressional and Court supervision? He has been operating outside the law for years on this exact matter and we have yet to effect any serious damage to Al-Qaeda, Ossamma, or any other bad guys. They are all out there operating at will, sending lobotomized loonies to Iraq to confront us.
Once this power has been granted, who does not expect GWB to operate on the other side again? It is his mode of operating. The edge of the law is conceptual to him. Not a real barrier. As he explores the out of bounds region he will be caught again. And all you simple minded Kool-Aide consumers will regurgitate the same bullshit stories and liberal bashing theories you cited this time around. With a Republican Party in power in the Congress, you will see the same result. Another extension of the legal boundary, until, slowly, we find ourselves unable to contain this unprecedented grab for power.
At that point, it will be too late. And when we look back, we will see we didn't even try to preserve our national identity, our Constitution, our American idealogy.
This is no different that the rush to invade Iraq. No debate, no room for anything but the easy way. That is George's way. He has a history of doing less than necesary, and the tireless support of the slide to facism is troublesome. Once on the way down, stopping at facism and avoiding nazism is something one can elect to believe is possible. I think history has a different perspective. Jim