Originally Posted by JimSmith
Geez Bruce, I thought we made some progress. I thought the general consensus was we should have stayed out of Vietnam, and that when we left nothing bad, in terms of commies overrunning us as was advertised if we didn't go in and succeed, happened. The lesson learned, even if you think being called a Paper Tiger by some third world pip-squeaks because we left is some kind of black mark that needs to be corrected, is not to do it again. That is, don't go in and try to impose some form of government on another people. The lesson is not to try over and over and fail because you are not on the high road.
I've reread this paragraph three times and I can't make head or tails out of what you're trying to say. The only bit that reads reasonably is the last two sentences, and I don't see how they apply.
I'm going to make an assumption here, I don't like to do that........
"The lesson learned, even if you think being called a Paper Tiger by some third world pip-squeaks because we left is some kind of black mark that needs to be corrected, is not to do it again."
Unfortunately one of those "pip-squeaks" managed to kill 3,000 of our countrymen and women. He is prepared to do it again if and when the opportunity presents itself. The other "pip-squeak" managed to kill how many thousands of HIS countrymen with gas and other poisons......Maybe you forgot that little tidbit? The last few words of that sentence is something YOU might take heed of: "we left is some kind of black mark that needs to be corrected, is not to do it again." The black mark is lack of National Fortitude. If you haven't got the cahones to fight for what you know is right, at least shut up, get out of the way, and let those that do, finish the job. Anything less is an opening and opportunity for another 9/11, and I hope you're smart enough to see that.
Originally Posted by JimSmith
Wars are won by those fighting to survive. We are not fighting to survive as a nation in Iraq. We weren't in Vietnam. When we get involved in wars we should only do it when our survival is at stake. And then, we should do whatever it takes to win. Jim
No Jim, wars are won by those that have the WILL to win. When you get into it, and start having the inevitable losses, you can't have a bunch of liberal whinny boys crying to get out before it gets any worse, and a media that force feeds the rest of the population the same kind of crap. If everybody told you that you could not drive a car, and continued to tell you that day after day, eventually you would start to doubt yourself. Maybe even stop driving because it is a dangerous method of transportation.
"Wars are won by those fighting to survive." That's true, but only if they have the WILL to survive......... "Where there's a will, there's a way" It's an old saw, but true, the reverse is also true, If the will isn't there you will NEVER succeed. If you are constantly given a reason not to succeed you never will.