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Apathy.

That's what our enemies are counting on......
Fear-mongering for political purposes -- (that was the topic of the speech, right?) -- is disgraceful.

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Yes, Jay, there are many people with diverse agendas that want us to forget what happened on 9/11 and those who did this to us but we never will.

As much as it grates on the inteligencia here I wanted to repost another article by Charlie Daniels:

Nine Eleven

As I write this piece it is Sunday morning and tomorrow, Monday is the fifth
anniversary of the morning that changed the world forever.

Do you remember where you were and what you were doing when you first heard the news? I do.

Do you remember how you felt as it slowly came to light that this horrible
and wanton attack on mankind had been done on purpose by people who
professed to be serving a religious cause?

Do you remember the confusion and uncertainty as plane after plane crashed causing incredible loss of innocent life, not knowing how many planes had been commandeered and how many attacks there would be.

It was a frustrating and helpless feeling, the uncertainty, the anger and
wanting to strike out at somebody and not knowing who.

My point in writing this piece at this time is that I hope it will help us
to remember the hurt America experienced on that day. That we never forget the degree of evil these people are capable of.

These are people who can coldly cut the throat of an airline stewardess with
a box cutter, who can crash a planeload of innocent people into a skyscraper full of other innocent people. They deprive children of their parents, husbands of their wives, interrupt the lineage of countless generations and all in the name of their religion.

What kind of religion condones this kind of behavior? What kind of god
sanctifies suicide, mass murder and hate? What kind of religion mandates the killing of everybody on earth who doesn't share its beliefs?

What are we fighting? The answer is we are fighting fanaticism,
hatred, total intolerance, genicide and pure evil. We fight an enemy who is
devious and intelligent, an enemy who uses the very freedoms we treasure
against us, who capitalize on the naivety of well meaning Americans.

There are those in America, on this forum for that matter, who tend to think these people are like everybody else, that if we'd just be nice to them and leave them alone they'd go peacefully away.

No folks, these people are not like other people you know. Do you know
anybody who would strap explosives on their bodies and walk into a shopping mall?

Do you know anybody who would take a knife and cut someone's head off and do it on television so that person's family always have a grisly reminder of how their loved one died?

Do you know anybody who would drive a truckload of dynamite into a public
building?

Do you know anybody who would put a bomb on a train and murder people whose faces they've never even seen?

If you have any doubt what kind of monsters we're dealing with just get out
some file footage of the planes flying into the trade towers.

Never forget, never forget.

Pray for our troops.

What do you think?

God Bless America

Charlie Daniels
September 11, 2006
I'm glad you put "intelligentsia" in quotes! I assume that was tongue-in-cheek. Good post! Thanks for that.

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I agree. Now how is Iraq figured into this travesty?
I can't believe you could even ask such a stupid question. Iraq is the front line of our war on terror. You remember what a terrorist is don't you?
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The President of the United Stats, George W. Bush, just gave the most stirring address I have ever heard/seen! I hope some of you saw it. He is truly a great and compassionate leader.
This is the way I imagine the North Korean propagandists talk about Kim Il Jong.
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Yes, Jay, there are many people with diverse agendas that want us to forget what happened on 9/11 and those who did this to us but we never will.

As much as it grates on the inteligencia here I wanted to repost another article by Charlie Daniels:

Nine Eleven

As I write this piece it is Sunday morning and tomorrow, Monday is the fifth
anniversary of the morning that changed the world forever.

Do you remember where you were and what you were doing when you first heard the news? I do.

Do you remember how you felt as it slowly came to light that this horrible
and wanton attack on mankind had been done on purpose by people who
professed to be serving a religious cause?

Do you remember the confusion and uncertainty as plane after plane crashed causing incredible loss of innocent life, not knowing how many planes had been commandeered and how many attacks there would be.

It was a frustrating and helpless feeling, the uncertainty, the anger and
wanting to strike out at somebody and not knowing who.

My point in writing this piece at this time is that I hope it will help us
to remember the hurt America experienced on that day. That we never forget the degree of evil these people are capable of.

These are people who can coldly cut the throat of an airline stewardess with
a box cutter, who can crash a planeload of innocent people into a skyscraper full of other innocent people. They deprive children of their parents, husbands of their wives, interrupt the lineage of countless generations and all in the name of their religion.

What kind of religion condones this kind of behavior? What kind of god
sanctifies suicide, mass murder and hate? What kind of religion mandates the killing of everybody on earth who doesn't share its beliefs?


What are we fighting? The answer is we are fighting fanaticism,
hatred, total intolerance, genicide and pure evil. We fight an enemy who is
devious and intelligent, an enemy who uses the very freedoms we treasure
against us, who capitalize on the naivety of well meaning Americans.

There are those in America, on this forum for that matter, who tend to think these people are like everybody else, that if we'd just be nice to them and leave them alone they'd go peacefully away.

No folks, these people are not like other people you know.
Do you know
anybody who would strap explosives on their bodies and walk into a shopping mall?

Do you know anybody who would take a knife and cut someone's head off and do it on television so that person's family always have a grisly reminder of how their loved one died?

Do you know anybody who would drive a truckload of dynamite into a public
building?

Do you know anybody who would put a bomb on a train and murder people whose faces they've never even seen?

If you have any doubt what kind of monsters we're dealing with just get out
some file footage of the planes flying into the trade towers.

Never forget, never forget.

Pray for our troops.

What do you think?

God Bless America

Charlie Daniels
September 11, 2006
Appealing to raw emotion and straw man arguments is all you've got. Its effective in the short term, but once one engages the brain, they see what a tragedy our response to 9-11 has really been.

Noone on this forum or anywhere else for that matter thinks that "if we're nice to them, they'll go away"! It's a patently dishonest straw man argument and you damn well know it. But then again you've been posting factually inaccurate garbage like "Israel's the only Democracy in the ME" among countless others, what's more garbage propaganda? Lying becomes easier the more you do it, I suppose.
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This is the way I imagine the North Korean propagandists talk about Kim Il Jong.
If you're confused about whether you are in North Korea or North America just consider that if you were in the former you would not have been allowed to post that comment.
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If you're confused about whether you are in North Korea or North America just consider that if you were in the former you would not have been allowed to post that comment.
The way things are going and the way you guys cheerlead it, I wonder how long I'll be able to continue posting these types of comments.
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Fear-mongering for political purposes -- (that was the topic of the speech, right?) -- is disgraceful.
Exactly right!. When the need arises, remind the sheep to be afraid and vote Republican.
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now here's a good speach

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And lastly tonight a Special Comment on why we are here. Half a lifetime ago, I worked in this now-empty space.
And for 40 days after the attacks, I worked here again, trying to make sense of what happened, and was yet to happen, as a reporter.
And all the time, I knew that the very air I breathed contained the remains of thousands of people, including four of my friends, two in the planes and — as I discovered from those "missing posters" seared still into my soul — two more in the Towers.
And I knew too, that this was the pyre for hundreds of New York policemen and firemen, of whom my family can claim half a dozen or more, as our ancestors.
I belabor this to emphasize that, for me… this was, and is, and always shall be, personal.
And anyone who claims that I and others like me are "soft", or have "forgotten" the lessons of what happened here — is at best a grasping, opportunistic, dilettante — and at worst, an idiot — whether he is a commentator, or a Vice President, or a President.
However. Of all the things those of us who were here five years ago could have forecast — of all the nightmares that unfolded before our eyes, and the others that unfolded only in our minds… none of us could have predicted… this.
Five years later this space… is still empty.
Five years later there is no Memorial to the dead.
Five years later there is no building rising to show with proud defiance that we would not have our America wrung from us, by cowards and criminals.
Five years later this country’s wound is still open.
Five years… later this country’s mass grave is still unmarked.
Five years later… this is still… just a background for a photo-op.
It is beyond shameful.

At the dedication of the Gettysburg Memorial — barely four months after the last soldier staggered from another Pennsylvania field, Mr. Lincoln said "we can not dedicate - we can not consecrate — we can not hallow — this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract."
Lincoln used those words to immortalize their sacrifice.
Today our leaders could use those same words to rationalize their reprehensible inaction. "We can nto dedicate — we can not consecrate — we can not hallow — this ground." So we won’t.
Instead they bicker and buck-pass. They thwart private efforts, and jostle to claim credit for initiatives that go nowhere. They spend the money on irrelevant wars, and elaborate self-congratulations, and buying off columnists to write how good a job they’re doing — instead of doing any job at all.
Five years later, Mr. Bush… we are still fighting the terrorists on these streets. And look carefully, sir — on these 16 empty acres, the terrorists… are clearly, still winning.
And, in a crime against every victim here and every patriotic sentiment you mouthed but did not enact, you have done nothing about it.

And there is something worse still than this vast gaping hole in this city, and in the fabric of our nation.
There is, its symbolism — of the promise unfulfilled, the urgent oath, reduced to lazy execution.
The only positive on 9/11 and the days and weeks that so slowly and painfully followed it… was the unanimous humanity, here, and throughout the country. The government, the President in particular, was given every possible measure of support.
Those who did not belong to his party — tabled that.
Those who doubted the mechanics of his election — ignored that.
Those who wondered of his qualifications — forgot that.
History teaches us that nearly unanimous support of a government cannot be taken away from that government, by its critics.
It can only be squandered by those who use it not to heal a nation’s wounds, but to take political advantage.
Terrorists did not come and steal our newly-regained sense of being American first, and political, fiftieth. Nor did the Democrats. Nor did the media. Nor did the people.
The President — and those around him — did that.
They promised bi-partisanship, and then showed that to them, "bi-partisanship" meant that their party would rule and the rest would have to follow, or be branded, with ever-escalating hysteria, as morally or intellectually confused; as appeasers; as those who, in the Vice President’s words yesterday, "validate the strategy of the terrorists."
They promised protection, and then showed that to them "protection" meant going to war against a despot whose hand they had once shaken… a despot who we now learn from our own Senate Intelligence Committee, hated Al-Qaeda as much as we did.
The polite phrase for how so many of us were duped into supporting a war, on the false premise that it had ’something to do’ with 9/11, is "lying by implication."
The impolite phrase, is "impeachable offense."
Not once in now five years has this President ever offered to assume responsibility for the failures that led to this empty space… and to this, the current, curdled, version of our beloved country.
Still, there is a last snapping flame from a final candle of respect and fairness: even his most virulent critics have never suggested he alone bears the full brunt of the blame for 9/11.
Half the time, in fact, this President has been so gently treated, that he has seemed not even to be the man most responsible — for anything — in his own administration.
Yet what is happening this very night?
A mini-series, created, influenced — possibly financed by — the most radical and cold of domestic political Machiavellis, continues to be televised into our homes.
The documented truths of the last fifteen years are replaced by bald-faced lies; the talking points of the current regime parroted; the whole sorry story blurred, by spin, to make the party out of office seem vacillating and impotent, and the party in office, seem like the only option.
How dare you, Mr. President, after taking cynical advantage of the unanimity and love, and transmuting it into fraudulent war and needless death… after monstrously transforming it into fear and suspicion and turning that fear into the campaign slogan of three elections… how dare you or those around you… ever "spin" 9/11.

Just as the terrorists have succeeded — are still succeeding — as long as there is no memorial and no construction here at Ground Zero…
So too have they succeeded, and are still succeeding — as long as this government uses 9/11 as a wedge to pit Americans against Americans.
This is an odd point to cite a television program, especially one from March of 1960. But as Disney’s continuing sell-out of the truth (and this country) suggests, even television programs can be powerful things.
And long ago, a series called "The Twilight Zone" broadcast a riveting episode entitled "The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street."
In brief: a meteor sparks rumors of an invasion by extra-terrestrials disguised as humans. The electricity goes out. A neighbor pleads for calm.
Suddenly his car — and only his car — starts. Someone suggests he must be the alien. Then another man’s lights go on.
As charges and suspicion and panic overtake the street, guns are inevitably produced.
An "alien" is shot — but he turns out to be just another neighbor, returning from going for help.
The camera pulls back to a near-by hill, where two extra-terrestrials areseen, manipulating a small device that can jam electricity. The veteran tells his novice that there’s no need to actually attack, that you just turn off a few of the human machines and then, "they pick the most dangerous enemy they can find, and it’s themselves."
And then, in perhaps his finest piece of writing, Rod Serling sums it up with words of remarkable prescience, given where we find ourselves tonight.
"The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs and explosions and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices - to be found only in the minds of men.
"For the record, prejudices can kill and suspicion can destroy, and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all its own — for the children, and the children yet unborn."

When those who dissent are told time and time again — as we will be, if not tonight by the President, then tomorrow by his portable public chorus — that he is preserving our freedom, but that if we use any of it, we are somehow un-American…
When we are scolded, that if we merely question, we have "forgotten the lessons of 9/11"… look into this empty space behind me and the bi-partisanship upon which this administration also did not build, and tell me:
Who has left this hole in the ground?
We have not forgotten, Mr. President.
You have.
May this country forgive you.

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A very passionate speech, good find! I agree with most of the views expressed, not least of which that the finest tribute to the victims and greatest snub to the terrorists would have been to re-build something there WITHOUT DELAY, bigger and better than what was destroyed.
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