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here in the corn crib of america there are e85 stations popping up everywhere.. e85 vehicles are a good deal to have around here.. i still wish i could find an LP convert kit for my truck though.. looks like i'd need to go to mexico and south to find one.. oh well.. for now i'll choose to support chavez..



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So... Why on Earth would anyone buy an ethanol car now? No smart person would.

There are FIVE stations in all of Arizona that sell it (same for ALL the Southwest U.S.). With the decreased mpg, when you got down to half a tank in your car you would have to start driving to the nearest available station. If they were out for some reason you would have to have your car towed.

At $4.00 a gallon + only being able to use half your tanks driving range that equals = $8.00 a gallon and alot of YOUR wasted time. Sound like a good deal to you?

As an incentative, the government should give you the car for free then there might be some people jumping onboard this project. Five years from now... maybe.

It's a myth that petroleum reserves are limited. They aren't. Don't buy into it.
Those are, what are called "flex fuel" cars. This means that they can use both regular and Ethanol 85. So you really do not have to go searching for fuel when you get low. Seems that there are regular gasoline stations fn near at every corner from what I have been told.

So, why would you want to waste your money on such a foolish thing. Let's think about it. First it puts wheels on the ground to help emerging technology. Second, as more wheels are on the ground more of those E85 stations keep popping up as stations note a better reason to sell E85 [BP just contracted to go national]. Third, as more wheels are on the ground and more stations pump, the economy of scale will bring the price down.

Now as to your myth of petroleum reserves being limited. Only God knows the answer to that one. The known answer is that the EASY reserves are very limited. The new reserve, just found, is going to be much more expensive to extract than previous reserves and at current rates of consumption would last only three years AT MOST.

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You guys have bought what the media has sold you. Do your homework.

For almost a century, various predictions have been made that the human race is imminently going to run out of available petroleum. The passing of time has proven all those predictions to have been utterly wrong. It is pointed out here how all such predictions have depended fundamentally upon an archaic hypothesis from the 18th century that petroleum somehow (miraculously) evolves from biological detritus, and is accordingly limited in abundance. That hypothesis has been replaced with the fact that deep, abiotic petroleum origins which has established that petroleum is a primordial material erupted from great depth.

Throughout the history of the petroleum industry, there have been written numerous articles or reports predicting an imminent demise of that industry all predicated upon assumptions that the supply of producible crude oil in the world was (supposedly) being rapidly depleted and would soon (therefore) be exhausted. In short, the world was (if such were believed), “running out of oil.” Happily, all such predictions have, without a single exception, been proven wrong.

Contrarily, the statistics of the petroleum industry establish that, far from diminishing, the net known recoverable reserves of petroleum have been growing steadily for the past fifty years. Those statistics show that, for every year since 1946, the international petroleum industry has discovered at least five new tons of recoverable oil for every three which have been consumed. Instead of “running out of oil,” the human race by every measure seems to be “running into oil”.

The errors concerning the abundances of petroleum on Earth all obtain from a common, but fundamental, misunderstanding about petroleum itself. All the predictions about expected shortages of petroleum hang by a single, weak thread on a remnant, eighteenth-century notion which has been thoroughly discredited in this century: the hypothesis that petroleum might somehow originate from biological detritus in sediments near the surface of the Earth. That notion of an origin of petroleum from biological material has occasioned numerous misnomers concerning petroleum as, for example, “fossil” fuel, and associated, misleading phrases like “vanishing resource.” Because the volume of biological matter on Earth is itself limited, the misunderstanding that petroleum might originate from such has given rise consequentially to a notion that petroleum should be similarly limited, and somehow in connection with the quantity of biogenic material observed in sediments.

The hypothesis that petroleum might somehow originate from biological detritus in sediments near the surface of the Earth is utterly wrong. Science tells us something different than the media. We have only begun to tap the worlds oil resources.
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^^^ alright dick cheney. although you're right to a point, that doesn't mean we're not going to run out of this resource.



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^^^ alright dick cheney. although you're right to a point, that doesn't mean we're not going to run out of this resource.
Not in the next 1,000 years.

But don't let science keep you from buying an ethanol hybrid if you really want to. That will be the rest of the world passing you on the highway.
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The hypothesis that petroleum might somehow originate from biological detritus in sediments near the surface of the Earth is utterly wrong. Science tells us something different than the media. We have only begun to tap the worlds oil resources.

Correction: A small group of russian scientists tells us that oil is abiotic, while the rest concur that it is indeed finite.

Here is a decent article:

http://www.energybulletin.net/2423.html

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LOL. He doesn't have time to write these things himself--he's too busy picking out the perfect steak for KV.
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LOL. He doesn't have time to write these things himself--he's too busy picking out the perfect steak for KV.
I have your steak ready. Are you ready to munch it? Be careful! It might be toooo big for the little pussy.
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