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Have we had a terrorist attack on the U.S. since 9/11?

Did we destroy Al-Queda's base of operation in Afganistan?

Did the Iraqi people have a free election for the first time in decades?

Of course the fighting in Iraq was bloodier and has lasted longer than anitcipated but if we had given up during the dark days of WWII we would singing deutschland uber alles right now.....
No, but we did not have one between the towers bombing in 93 and the towers falling in 01 either.

No we have not destroyed Al Queda's Base of ops in AfgHanistan since it is in Pakistan.

Yes they had a nice forced democratic election to make us happy. Now they have both Civil and Religious Wars going on at a level they have never had before. Go Democracy.

WW2, in case you have not studied it, was a progressively won war. After the first loses in the early 40's, the allies had NO campaign loses until the war was finished.

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No, but we did not have one between the towers bombing in 93 and the towers falling in 01 either.

No we have not destroyed Al Queda's Base of ops in AfgHanistan since it is in Pakistan.

Yes they had a nice forced democratic election to make us happy. Now they have both Civil and Religious Wars going on at a level they have never had before. Go Democracy.

WW2, in case you have not studied it, was a progressively won war. After the first loses in the early 40's, the allies had NO campaign loses until the war was finished.

Ok so past performance does not predict future "returns". We may get hit again but don't forget that several cities have since been attacked (since 9/11) including London and Madrid but yet we haven't. o that shoudl count at least as a partial victory.

Yes we did, indeed, destroy AL-Queda's base of operations in Afganistan and overthrew the Taliban. Guess you just missed that one.

We'll see what the results of nation building amount to in Iraq in a few years.

As far as WWII is concerned there were some very dark days for the allies and they peristsed and prevailed nonetheless, including a reversal of fortunes at the Battle of the Bulge late in the war which you convienently forgot to mention.
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Our location is largely responsible for our safety -- it always was. There are too many big, fat, juicy targets between us and them, and that's their problem, not ours. Had we not provided a substantial push, 9/11 would have likely never occurred, at least not on our soil...

Afghanistan will return to its former state in time. Iraq won't be so lucky...

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Have we had a terrorist attack on the U.S. since 9/11?

Did we destroy Al-Queda's base of operation in Afganistan?

Did the Iraqi people have a free election for the first time in decades?

Of course the fighting in Iraq was bloodier and has lasted longer than anitcipated but if we had given up during the dark days of WWII we would singing deutschland uber alles right now.....
You half wit its not like we had terrorist attacks especially on the scale of 9/11 going on regularly before 9/11 aside from the WTC attempt in '93 which was 8 years prior. Now you sit there like the dumbass that you are and try to give credit to the Bush administration for that?. Well shit, you must've loved all the previous Presidents including Clinton and Carter.

"Did we destroy Al Queda's base of operation in Afghanistan?". Did we rid the world of Al Queada or did we make them stronger?. Do you feel any safer?. We pissed them off even more, now everyone hates us. Now its global.

"Did the Iraqi people have a free election for the first time in decades?".....Oh thats why we went there right?. To help the Iraqi people, sure it takes a few bombs and over a hundred thousand dead many of which were civilians. A little torture, some humility, etc.. Nevermind the fact Sadam was no threat to us and we went into that country because of lies and deceit from the Administration. Its ok that thousands of American soldiers are dead for all the wrong reasons. Foggetabout the fact that Iraq is in turmoil and ready to break into a Civil war because of us. Hell, they had a free election and how much did that free election cost us and our children?. Just STFU man.
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"Did we destroy Al Queda's base of operation in Afghanistan?". Did we rid the world of Al Queada or did we make them stronger?. Do you feel any safer?. We pissed them off even more, now everyone hates us. Now its global.

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Just one question for you: Should the U.S. (and its NATO allies) have gone into Afganistan after 9/11 or not? The above quoted paragraph suggests to me that you do not believe so.

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Well, thank goodness that whatever else happens in the midterm elections we still have Bush and Cheney to run foreign policy (and Rumsfeld to implement it! haha) for the next two years. His recent speaches lead me to believe that he intends to go forward with his strategy, public opinion notwithstanding, and that is the mark of a true leader. His public pronouncements about the "war on terror" have gotton more stident and less politically correct as his popularity has waned (e.g., his comment recently about "Isomao-fascism"). I think that, at this point, he feels he has little to lose and I concur.
Appropriations orginate in the House. Let's see how good they are at fucking up the world when they don't have our money to do it with.

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Just one question for you: Should the U.S. (and its NATO allies) have gone into Afganistan after 9/11 or not? The above quoted paragraph suggests to me that you do not believe so.

Please advice.
New Republican rationale: Vote for us because we didn't catch Bin Laden, and Bin Laden is a very bad man.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Ok so past performance does not predict future "returns". We may get hit again but don't forget that several cities have since been attacked (since 9/11) including London and Madrid but yet we haven't. o that shoudl count at least as a partial victory.

Yes we did, indeed, destroy AL-Queda's base of operations in Afganistan and overthrew the Taliban. Guess you just missed that one.

We'll see what the results of nation building amount to in Iraq in a few years.

As far as WWII is concerned there were some very dark days for the allies and they peristsed and prevailed nonetheless, including a reversal of fortunes at the Battle of the Bulge late in the war which you convienently forgot to mention.
We overthrew the Taliban? Seems like alls we did was get them to run across the border into Pakistan when the GOP cut and ran on Osama at Tora Bora. And that is a great rationale for a few more thousand dead "let's see what it looks like in a few years". Well, it'll probably look about like it has for the last thousand or so, a fucking basketcase.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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If you work on that first paragraph a bit longer you might be able to make some sense out of it. Right now it is 3.5 thoughts trying to find a common bond.

To assist, however - wrong, true, wtf

What, you don't understand that paragraph? Did I suddenly break into Portugese or something?

What I said (for the benefit of the slower members of BW like yourself) is that liberals have claimed that Bush deliberately has avoided killing Bin Laden because his existence justifies Bush's war on terror and the justice department's expansion of police powers (wiretapping etc.). What I said was that this assumption is preposterouos because 1) Even if you accept this cynical theory, killing Bin Laden would give Bush a tremendous boost in the polls so he would, indeed, have a good rationale to do so and 2) since Al-Queda is decentralized Bin Laden's death would not obviate the need to continue provisions of the Patriot act to protect Americans from renants of this organization that will survive without him.

Now the next time you don't understand something just go back into your trailer and re-read it until it sinks in.

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Just one question for you: Should the U.S. (and its NATO allies) have gone into Afganistan after 9/11 or not? The above quoted paragraph suggests to me that you do not believe so.

Please advice.
Right after 9/11 I was all for it but only to get the man that was behind it, I'm not so sure he was the man now. Regardless, we didn't do anything there besides kill thousands and still no Bin Laden. Al Queda is alive and well. They didn't die and we didn't dismantle them, they simply regrouped. I pity you boo boo. Your all messed up man and you just dont have a leg to stand on.
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