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Don't be unnecessarily superficial.

Read the part about invading our allies and threatening the world's economy. That's Iraq. Of course, Al Queda plays from that book, too. Hence the WTC attack.

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Yes you are right they Iraq was going to invade Israel then take over the world’s economies..... That Dr.Evil of Saddam was too ambitious for his own good....
His people deserve collective punishement by democracy...... What a glorious mission.....
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Yes you are right they Iraq was going to invade Israel then take over the world’s economies..... That Dr.Evil of Saddam was too ambitious for his own good....
His people deserve collective punishement by democracy...... What a glorious mission.....
I doubt you're as stupid as all that.

Saddam's oft stated goal was to control ME oil so as to control the world economy. Before the silly-assed Saudi Jihadist became popular, Saddam had secular pan-Arabist rhetoric. After he succeeded in getting his ass kicked in GW I, he discovered that Islam might be a more productive venue for his aspirations and became a televangelist for Islam--arguing for a Jihad against the great satan (that would be the USA).

Well, if my choice is to live the righteous life in submission to God's will as prescribed by some wacked-out religious goof (who likes young boys in that special way) or be the secular Great Satan, give me my pitchfork.
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Perhaps we wouldn't go around invading and killing folks if other folks would refrain from flying airliners into buildings, dynamiting embassies, attacking our allies, and threatening the world economy, etc. But that's just me.

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So you are saying Iraq flew those planes?

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Try reading. It doesn't hurt.

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I doubt you're as stupid as all that.

Saddam's oft stated goal was to control ME oil so as to control the world economy. Before the silly-assed Saudi Jihadist became popular, Saddam had secular pan-Arabist rhetoric. After he succeeded in getting his ass kicked in GW I, he discovered that Islam might be a more productive venue for his aspirations and became a televangelist for Islam--arguing for a Jihad against the great satan (that would be the USA).

Well, if my choice is to live the righteous life in submission to God's will as prescribed by some wacked-out religious goof (who likes young boys in that special way) or be the secular Great Satan, give me my pitchfork.
Secular? Are you kidding?
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You seem to be justifying the invasion of Iraq. Are you not?

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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Secular? Are you kidding?
Of course, secular.

None of our tax dollars go to support religious activities.

Religion has no de jure establishment in government.

The law itself is mute as to whether or not a person of any sort of religious persuasion should be in a position of power.
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Of course, secular.

None of our tax dollars go to support religious activities.

Religion has no de jure establishment in government.

The law itself is mute as to whether or not a person of any sort of religious persuasion should be in a position of power.
You mean we supported him because he ran a secular form of government? So actually that was more important than putting pressure on Iran? What about our support to non-secular states? What about our support to Jihadists that turned on us? Are you sure we don't or have never financed armed non-secular entites?
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Of course, secular.

None of our tax dollars go to support religious activities.

Religion has no de jure establishment in government.

The law itself is mute as to whether or not a person of any sort of religious persuasion should be in a position of power.
My point is that both Bush and Bliar have spewed Christian beliefs and divine intervention to justify their criminal invasion of a sovereign territory.
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My point is that both Bush and Bliar have spewed Christian beliefs and divine intervention to justify their criminal invasion of a sovereign territory.
Of course they do. I don't follow UK politics closely enough to suggest a trend in that regard, but in this country, ever since Jimmy Carter proclaiming his 'born-again' Christian experience, politicians have found that piety is a vote-getter.

In this country public piety ebbs and flows. In the 18th Century it wasn't popular. In the first-half of the 19th Century public piety became part of the political lexicon. It lost favor in the early 20th and came back again in the late 20th.

The Republican Party is now the party of God and the Democrats don't quite know what to do with it. Some of Democrats believe that Christianity is really a liberal virtue and that the Republicans have perverted it. So they think that the Democrats should get out there and fight for the God turf. Other Democrats see religion as a hideous menace to mankind that should be repudiated at every opportunity.

The wild card is this: The Hispanic population is rapidly growing and very much a socially liberal bloc (and thus, tend to be more Democrat). But they have very strong and very conservative religious ties to Roman Catholicism, which favors traditional family structure and deplores homosexuality, for example.

So the Repos and Demos are both doing courtship displays like preening bowerbirds, showing the Hispanics the pretty rocks and flowers that each side hopes will consummate a marriage.

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