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Keep watching Foxworthy. Just got to remember the annoying rule. Only blacks can make black jokes, only Southerners can talk about our trailers.

You know the best house warming present you can get a Southern family? Armor All for the tires.

By the way, I meant to put a smiley by that comment earlier [since yours looked like humor] but someone was talking to me while I was typing and I hit submit. Sorry about that.
You people are so sensitive about your trailers....
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Gets down to what the word "down" means....
I am up with that....
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I am up with that....

See.

Now hard was that after all....
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Now hard was that after all....
Yikes...
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OK, I'll rephrase that:

How "hard" was it after all?
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Thought you were a vegan... R - E - S - P - E - C - T . . .
Father was a butcher and Union leader for Butchers Workmans Union. I don't think Vegan would fly. And I like Filet Mignon way too well.

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Funny, most thought the same thing about Atlanta after Sherman came through. But remember, it was not the Hurricane that did the damage, it was the pride of the Corp of Engineers Levy System which failed.

Also, most had hurricane insurance which covers wind and water damage but did not have FLOOD insurance which the nice insurance companies say is what caused the damage to their houses due to the LEVY BREACHES.

The city and state did not expect the levy system to breach. The Hurricane was not the primary problem in NO.

As for rebuilding NO, nobody is going to not rebuild a major US city no matter where it is. LA will be rebuilt if there is an earthquake, Miami for a Hurricane, Atlanta if a series of tornados hit, St. Louis if New Madrid sets off. That is just a fact.
The USACE had been warning the local, state and Fed for DECADES that the levee system was not adequate to address it's statutory requirements. It was NEVER funded to the engineering requirements originally established.

Now the USACE is taking the heat for it. WEll, they should take some proportion of the heat. Those arrogant bastards chose to follow the funding dollars (shovel-in-dirt = money) rather than fund the basic science to understand the entire system. However, they gave millions of dollars every year to the local levee boards for levee maintenance and improvement--work that got haphazardly done on interlocking political pay-off contracts. Almost nothing got done and the USACE had oversight, which it didn't conduct.

But that does not let the city and state off the hook. Failure of oversight is not an excuse for misappropriation. Nobody forced the city to and state to misspend, they did it of tehir own volition.

When I bought my insurance for my house I bought both hurricane and flood insurance, even though I am NOT in a flood zone. My agent explained in abundant detail about the difference between flood and hurricane and so I bought both. People should live with the choices they make.

In the greater scheme of things, the fed needs to get the hell out of the insurance business. Why should the federal gov insure people that commercial outfits wont insure? Isn't that a clue that those folks should not build or live where they are located, when an insurance company wont cover you?

there are very wealthy people who can afford to build and rebuild beautiful, expensive beach houses right on the coast because of the availability of federal insurance. We are, in effect, subsidizing building in areas that are prone to catastrophic failure.

Your tax dollars at work.

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The USACE had been warning the local, state and Fed for DECADES that the levee system was not adequate to address it's statutory requirements. It was NEVER funded to the engineering requirements originally established.

Now the USACE is taking the heat for it. WEll, they should take some proportion of the heat. Those arrogant bastards chose to follow the funding dollars (shovel-in-dirt = money) rather than fund the basic science to understand the entire system. However, they gave millions of dollars every year to the local levee boards for levee maintenance and improvement--work that got haphazardly done on interlocking political pay-off contracts. Almost nothing got done and the USACE had oversight, which it didn't conduct.

But that does not let the city and state off the hook. Failure of oversight is not an excuse for misappropriation. Nobody forced the city to and state to misspend, they did it of tehir own volition.

When I bought my insurance for my house I bought both hurricane and flood insurance, even though I am NOT in a flood zone. My agent explained in abundant detail about the difference between flood and hurricane and so I bought both. People should live with the choices they make.

In the greater scheme of things, the fed needs to get the hell out of the insurance business. Why should the federal gov insure people that commercial outfits wont insure? Isn't that a clue that those folks should not build or live where they are located, when an insurance company wont cover you?

there are very wealthy people who can afford to build and rebuild beautiful, expensive beach houses right on the coast because of the availability of federal insurance. We are, in effect, subsidizing building in areas that are prone to catastrophic failure.

Your tax dollars at work.

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I knew you could explain that mess better than I could. I just wish you had told me I was spelling levee wrong earlier. We ain't got dim thangs up here. We jist flud.

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there are very wealthy people who can afford to build and rebuild beautiful, expensive beach houses right on the coast because of the availability of federal insurance. We are, in effect, subsidizing building in areas that are prone to catastrophic failure.

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I have a friend up here who had one of those homes on one of the barrier islands in either Miss or Ala and it [and it's little island] no longer exist. We, and that would be me and a couple of his friends that hang at one of the restaurants daily, publicly embarassed him to the point that he took the insurance money he got from it and donated ALL of it to hurricane relief. We had one of the local TV station's anchors that I used to date do a remote at the restaurant when he announced the contribution. It was $600,400.

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I have a friend up here who had one of those homes on one of the barrier islands in either Miss or Ala and it [and it's little island] no longer exist. We, and that would be me and a couple of his friends that hang at one of the restaurants daily, publicly embarassed him to the point that he took the insurance money he got from it and donated ALL of it to hurricane relief. We had one of the local TV station's anchors that I used to date do a remote at the restaurant when he announced the contribution. It was $600,400.
Whoa. That's some donation.

I think it's okay if folks want to build in swamps, river floodplains, barrier islands, and on faultlines. Let them buy the full value of the insurance rather than federally subsidized insurance.

An unfortunate consequence of my belief is that only the extremely wealthy will be able to build or rent. That is what is going on along the Mississippi coast. Prior to Katrina, the coast between Waveland and Ocean Springs was mixed business, wealthy folks and middleclass folks. The cost of rebuilding is tremendous and so the wealthier businesses (casinos, hotels, chain restaurants, etc) buy out mom-n-pop businesses and cafes so the zoning regs need no mods. Wealthy developers are offering substantial money to middleclass landowners to sell so that the developers can rebuild whole neighborhoods, moving the coast from mixed neighborhoods to wealthy neighborhoods.

It's the passing of an era and kind of sad, really.

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