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Anyone here who has posted for the last two years has heard me say it all before. The war against Bin Laden should have consisted of a nuclear strike against Tora Bora and anywhere else in Afghanistan Al Queda operated. The US should have also mobilized for war, instituting a draft and oil rationing in anticipation of loss of Mid East oil supplies. The attack on Afghanistan should have been followed with a demand that Iran cease trying to acquire WMDs and that Pakistan disarm until it could develop a stable governmental system. We should also have invaded Somalia and Yemen, and given Hussien free reign and aid to continue his suppression of the Jihadists in Iraq. But your fucking murderering greedy cunt president wanted to steal Iraq's oil instead, and hijacked the whole thing for his own greedy bullshit. He is a traitor.
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Yep.

Just like Israel has done in it's last war.

Sherman was a bloody bastard BTW he produced a scorched earth tactic in the South. Yet he is a national hero. So it makes some sense after all.
Sherman brought the bloodiest war in human history up until that time to an end by abandoning the Napoleonic strategies that simply turned battles into meat grinders. He invented an entire new way of looking at war, seeing that the people who support the enemy are the center of gravity in any conventional conflict. He is one of the truest and greatest military geniuses of all time, and as Chief of Staff for most of the later half of the 19th Century, founded a tradition of how war is fought that us uniquely American - a combination of massive civilian economic output of war material coupled with an almost factory like output of massive destruction of everything in its path.
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No, you just don't understand the philosophy of Total War. It was the overriding philosophy of US military action up until the Cold War, formulated by William Tecumseh Sherman. War is immoral and evil. If it must be engaged in, the humane thing to do is prosecute it to its fullest extent, even if it means genocide against your enemy, so that it comes to an end quickly. Total War is the only way a democracy can successfully wage war. Total War is a war of peoples against peoples, and every facet of one's economy and national being should be dedicated to it. If you are not willing to do those things, don't engage in war. If you do engage in war, do it with utter reluctance and only if you hold the moral high ground, and never, ever fire the first shot. In the wars where we have ignored Sherman's advice, we have done very badly. I recommend you read Sherman's autobiography. It is an excellent read, and Sherman is a clear and concise writer who explains why burning Atlanta to the ground and forcing the South into starvation was the humane thing to do, and you will see the foundations that led to our winning WWII, and why the War in Iraq is the stupidest thing we have ever done, well since the last time we ignored Sherman, in Vietnam. Gulf War I was a classic Shermanesque war.
I agree and you are up on your history. Prior to Sherman's famous run Lincoln used this tactic at Fort Sumter when he let the south attack first, thus unifying the fractured north, and gave the north the moral high ground. And that is the biggest tragedy regarding 9/11. We had the moral upper hand, and most of the world's pity. We could have milked that for a decade to our benefit socially and economically. The current executive branch threw that away with Iraq. All the material, economic, and military gain because of 9/11 was squandered within two years.

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The big 800 lb gorilla question in the room has always been why Bush did not pursue Total War against Al Queda. Heck, screw Total War, he didn't even pursue much of a war at all. If Pearl Harbor warranted it, why didn't 9-11? What is the real answer here?
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I agree and you are up on your history. Prior to Sherman's famous run Lincoln used this tactic at Fort Sumter when he let the south attack first, thus unifying the fractured north, and gave the north the moral high ground. And that is the biggest tragedy regarding 9/11. We had the moral upper hand, and most of the world's pity. We could have milked that for a decade to our benefit socially and economically. The current executive branch threw that away with Iraq. All the material, economic, and military gain because of 9/11 was squandered within two years.
Yes, and Sherman says in his memoirs that he also exploited anger over Sumner among his troops to motivate them. In Iraq, the message has been confusing to our troops - one week Cheney is telling them they avengeing 9-11, and the next Bush is on the tube telling them there is no connection. A total clusterfuck.
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Anyone who remembers Zia ul Haq knows how fortunate the West is with the present Pakistani leadership. Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and later Daughter Benazir are being missed. It has been suggested somwhere else, that first there needs to be a Presedential executive order, to focus and take clear aim at the Iranian Mulahdom and its hand picked leader Ahmadinejad. The enemies of he West know what a powerful weapon in the Middle East rumours and disinformation can be. It's time we start using this to our advantage. Iran's destabilization has to start from within, the same way the Revolution of 79 did. With Irans youth, in the Colleges and Universities. The West still has not understood that the 79 Revolution started as a movement to get rid of the Shah, and not so much for an Islamic leadership. It was a case of the Mullahs following and later hijacking the Revolution. By now, the majority of Iranians are definitely familiar with the reality of beware of what you wish for. Promises of US support, if people in Iran should rise up against its leadership, need to be kept this time. During desert storm, Bush sen. implied support in 1991 for a Shia and Kurdish uprising, only to halt the U.S. advance at the Iraqi border, and stood by when as result, ca. 200,000 Shia and Kurds were slaughtered by Saddam's Republican Guards. While this was going on, in Kuwait captured Iraqi aircraft were returned to Saddam by the US. It's understandable why the Shia don't trust America.
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The big 800 lb gorilla question in the room has always been why Bush did not pursue Total War against Al Queda. Heck, screw Total War, he didn't even pursue much of a war at all. If Pearl Harbor warranted it, why didn't 9-11? What is the real answer here?
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Bush's Hitler-style foreign policy is what is causing these nations to seek nuclear arms. Now there is even talk that Venzeuala is considering building a nuke. Why not? It's the only way to keep that murdererous fucker from doing his Nazi style invasions.
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