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Are you French (or Swiss) by any chance?.......
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The War on Terror (2001) is like the War on Poverty (1966) or the War on Drugs (1981), they never end, they just become a neverending exercise in administrative masturbation to insure that funding continues to flow to the shiny new departments that continue to propagate. At some point in the near future we should expect a Terror Czar to go with our Energy Czar, Education Czar, Drug Czar [Keith Richards], and Poverty Czar [sorry, we have already forgotten about them].
Leave no terrorist behind...........It takes a Jihad.

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I think you lost him. He still thinks girls are icky and have cooties. Jim
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Wholesale persecution of victimless crimes. A veritable treadmill of waste.
That pretty much covers it. I have so many professional friends who have a record just because of pot from sometime in the last 30 years yet drinking is perfectly ok. All has to do with the taxes and lobby efforts.

When we had contracts going out for approval, they always had to put me in as the front person for clearances, both because of military background and due to not having any ticky marks on my record. I would be the only one who could get appropriate clearances for mil work. It was good except I was the one that ended up at Minot in January every time.

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Many W. Europeans had to deal with the effect Terrorism had on our individual freedom since the 60's. With Baader Meinhoff/ Red Army Faction and others across Europe, we got used to being searched and having to identify our suitcases before boarding a plane. You would feel more like living in a police State. I couldn't help but notice the lax airport security on my many past visits to the US. Having lived in unstable West Africa, and Iran during the Revolution changed my World view. I see the date of the Balfour declaration as a plausible beginning of the present 'War on Terror.'
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Asking how long the war on terror is going to last is like asking how long the current era will last. We don't know the answer to that yet because it is likely to continue as long as Islam is ascendant. The pendulum now is swinging back in favor of western asia.

I read an interesting article by an historian this weekend who predates this struggle between western asia and "Europe" to long before the founding of Islam. He dates the struggle to 600 B.C. when the Persian Empire "demanded the submission" of Asia Minor and in 480 BC when Xerxes , king of Persia, unsuccessfully invaded Greece. Then through the decade 330 to 320 BC when Alexander the great conquered the Persian Empire and through the wars between Rome and Carthage. After the rise of Islam in 620 AD the pendulum once again swung, and in a dramatic fashion, in favor of western asia that lasted for many centuries until the advent of the European Renaissance and Industrial Revolution when modern science once again favored the ascendency of Europe. After WWII growing unrest in the arab world and the rise of arab nationalism forced Europe to abandon many of its colonies in western asia and now their struggle against the west is being carried forward by radical Islam.

The French, British etc. who abandoned their colonies after the last world war were able to return to their homeland, however the Europeans who settled in Palestine "burned their bridges" to their native lands. The state of Israel is described on lying upon a political "fault line" (much like a geological fault line) forever vulnerable to tremors and earthquakes.

He looks upon this as a never-ending struggle where first Europe (or America) and then western asia gains ascendancy until the pendulum swings the other way perhaps many centuries later.

We, in the west, had better be prepared to be in this for the long haul.
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If you don't know what that means, you're already immune. Tell Az to take the bullet out of his pocket, just in case...
That's not a bullet in his pocket, he's just happy to see you.
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Asking how long the war on terror is going to last is like asking how long the current era will last. We don't know the answer to that yet because it is likely to continue as long as Islam is ascendant. The pendulum now is swinging back in favor of western asia....
We, in the west, had better be prepared to be in this for the long haul.
Yep.

The question can't be answered until some time has elapsed and you can make a proper evaluation of all the factors.

History is all about the long view.

This won't be over anytime soon.

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I'm thinking the war on terror isn't a time thingy. I think it's an about events; when certain things happen, it will be over. That said, I think it behooves us to do everything that moves the cause forwrd to it's conclusion. Anything which protracts it is not helpful.

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I get confused by the pretty universal acceptance of the phrase "we are at war with terror" being interpreted by the President as the trigger to assume the nation is at war when the Congress has never declared we are at war. The "War on Terror" is a catch phrase, not something Congress has validated with a declaration of war. So, given the only Congressional Resolutions on the issue of sending troops to Afghanistan and Iraq were not declarations of war, how is it the President and Gonzalez are making attempts to suggest we are at war, and that justifies this constant barrage of attempts to curtail the Bill of Rights? If war was never declared, and we apparently have no definition of exactly who the terrorists are, or what the end of "The War on Terror" will actually look like, isn't it dangerous to let someone chip away at the Bill of Rights indefinitely, using nothing more than the color coded threat system to assure us everything they do is in our best interests?

I find the whole theme of ceding additional power to the executive branch under these conditions alarming, first because it is a never ending threat, and to address this threat by unmaking America is just unacceptable, and second because the present Chief Executive has shown he can't handle the authority he already has.

Did I miss the Delcaration of War by Congress against Terror? Jim
Welcome to the new world.

War was declared on us a long time ago, not by a nation, but by an ideology. No big deal, until the first bullet is fired (so to speak). Interestingly, the first bullet wasn't fired on 9/11...what changed was that we had a President willing to fight back when the bullet on 9/11 was fired.

"The enemy" has identified themselves, but act in cowardice. They aren't an "army" in the traditional sense of the word - if they were, the war on terror would have been long since completed.

The war will be over when the mechanisms and individuals who facilitate the existence of Al Qaeda and their ability to carry out attacks has been fully, definitively, decisively eliminated.
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