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Stupid? How is signing a treaty to not give nuclear technology to a non-NPT member stupid??

I did find this:

India's opposition to the Treaty over the last three decades was based on the argument that the NPT was both unjust and ineffective.

Personally I don't buy that. It is as effective as the members who enforce it.

Let's talk, "enforcement."

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Do you mean the TAP pipeline, Turkmenistan, Pakistan, India, that's supposed to incorporate Azerbeijan (the ex USSR part, and not the Iranian) and Tajikistan? The self proclaimed President for life and Father (Despot) of Tajikistan suffers no shortage of megalomania. What a great partner to pick. It is a logical area for Iran to expand into, the other would be N. Azerbeijan, up to Persia's old border, the Caucasus, Are the rumors of plans for a US base in Turkmenistan correct? The US was evicted from the K2 airbase in Uzbekistan, but the Kyrgyz and Tajik bases next door are still going strong.
Obviously you're more knowledgeable than I am, all of those former SSR stans run together in my geographically challenged mind. I remember the megalomaniac killing hundreds, maybe thousands of peaceful protesters recently and asking us to decamp from the former Soviet base we used to go into Afghanistan.

A couple of years ago I spent a an hour or two with a member of the Azeri oil ministry who was interested in remote sensing applications for detecting oilfield (and war) debris. (I didn't realize that the Nazis, on their push for Stalingrad, over-ran parts of Azerbeijan). He said one of the hoped-for outcomes from the Afghan war from his perspective was increasing the market for his country's oil across the Caucasus and also across Afghanistan to Pakistan & India.
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Hi Bot. I don't think I am more knowledgable, but I am familiar with Iranian, and the former Russian Azerbeijan. They share the same turkic dialect, related to what is spoken in Turkey as well as in Turkmenistan and others around the latter. The Caucasus used to be Persia's Northern border. A Friend is a Goverment official in Baku. It has a lot of the old frontier spirit, to put it mildly. If rumors are true, I would question US wisdom in aligning itself with Turkmenistans Niyazov, another megalomaniac dictator worse than Saddam. After having supported murderous despots all over the World, why be surprised at the negative image of America in other Countries. Haven't the politicians in Washington learned anything?
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Hi Bot. I don't think I am more knowledgable, but I am familiar with Iranian, and the former Russian Azerbeijan. They share the same turkic dialect, related to what is spoken in Turkey as well as in Turkmenistan and others around the latter. The Caucasus used to be Persia's Northern border. A Friend is a Goverment official in Baku. It has a lot of the old frontier spirit, to put it mildly. If rumors are true, I am questioning the US wisdom in aligning itself with Turkmenistans Niyazov, another megalomaniac despot worse than Saddam. After having supported murderous despots all over the World, why be surprised at the negative image of America in other Countries. Haven't the politicians learned anything?

Oh, I can believe it. Not that we love supporting another murderous despot, but because the short-term REAL positives outweigh the POTENTIAL long-term negatives. A classic calculus of diplomacy, in which there are no friends, only interests.

Speaking of which, it amuses me that I was wrong about France in my prognostication concerning Lebanon. I had predicted that France would take the leading military role, supplying leadership and troops to patrol the southern fronteir and train the Lebanese Army. They even said they would, but then uh ... retreated from that position. Now it looks like Italy will do the heavy lifting, which surprised me. I had not foreseen that at all.

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Oh, I can believe it. Not that we love supporting another murderous despot, but because the short-term REAL positives outweigh the POTENTIAL long-term negatives. A classic calculus of diplomacy, in which there are no friends, only interests.

Speaking of which, it amuses me that I was wrong about France in my prognostication concerning Lebanon. I had predicted that France would take the leading military role, supplying leadership and troops to patrol the southern fronteir and train the Lebanese Army. They even said they would, but then uh ... retreated from that position. Now it looks like Italy will do the heavy lifting, which surprised me. I had not foreseen that at all.

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Where's my steak? Oh, and BTW, you forgot to mention that Israel is protesting the use of Muslim troops as well, just as I predicted. And here is my next prediction: The Italian parliament will shoot down the idea of their leading the troops as well, after their disasterous experience against the Titanic Botnstian Empire of Iraq. We've turned the world's diplomatic landscape into the same kind of wasteland as we have Iraq's.

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Meanwhile, as we approach the 5-year anniversary of 9/11, and after fvcking Bush said OBL is irrelevant:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/22/osama.poll/index.html

So is our mission accomplished?

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Someone else put it best,: "War does not discriminate, it is an equal opportunity destroyer."
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Meanwhile, as we approach the 5-year anniversary of 9/11, and after fvcking Bush said OBL is irrelevant:

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/22/osama.poll/index.html

So is our mission accomplished?
When the US was trying to flush out Bin Laden from the caves of Tora Bora, the special forces commander requested 200 extra troops. The pentagon refused. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8853000/site/newsweek/
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