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If American Indians all of sudden have decided to start a terror war against WASP USA population that would be much more similar to the Israel/Palestine conflict.
The difference is we were willing to compromise and give them land ie: reservations to live on, and didnt have the attitude of all or nothing. If we did what Israel is proposing.. we would of kicked the indians out of this country, which we didnt.

I dont care if they believe Aliens from outer space gave Isreal the land, the fact of the matter is they both have legal right to this land, and they need to put aside there petty differences and work together. You will never get them to agree on who has a religious right to the land anymore then you can get a person who doesnt believe in god to believe in a god. They need to put aside there religious views for a moment and work on a compromise that works for both of them. End of story.

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As in pay your own tab. Makes sense to me.
Exactly -- stop giving them orders, and stop paying them to obey.

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The difference is we were willing to compromise and give them land ie: reservations to live on, and didnt have the attitude of all or nothing. If we did what Israel is proposing.. we would of kicked the indians out of this country, which we didnt.
If America was the size of Israel, the only Native Americans you would have ever seen or heard of would have been from history books.

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And every other conquered people in human history.

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Actually, I politely disagree.

Mongols, for instance, conquered a lot of people/states/nations, however, mongols disappeared and almost all those nations are still in place.

Mongols by the way were the only people who managed to get rid of the one of the first in history terrorist sect of ismailites, better known as assassins. Assasins could be hired to kill anybody, including Christian and Muslim rulers.
Mongolian solution was quite straightforward. They murdered all the ismailites /assasins.
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The people of Palestine did not declare war on Israel in 1967 because there were no Palestine people at that time. Gaza belonged to Egypt and West Bank belonged to Jordan. Both Egypt and Jordan and then Syria had provoked 6-days war of 1967.
What world have you been living in??

The Canaanites have existed in Palestine since 3000 BC.

In the second millenium BC, Jerusalem was inhabited by the Jebusites, a Canaanite tribe, and the culture of the city was Canaanite. The Jebusites built a fortress, "Zion", in Jerusalem. Zion is a Canaanite word meaning "hill" or "height." Jerusalem was also known as Jebus. Canaanite society flourished for two thousand years, and many aspects of Canaanite culture and religion were later borrowed by the Hebrews.

According to a number of historians and scholars, many of the Arabs of Jerusalem today, indeed the majority of Palestinian Arabs, are descendants of the ancient Jebusites and Canaanites.

The Term Jebusite appears is the Bible. They are mentioned in the "table of nations" in Gen 10 and Gen 15. They are listed among the various peoples of the land in Exod 3:8 (along with the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, and Hivites).

During the seventh century, Muslim Arab armies moved north from Arabia to conquer most of the Middle East, including Palestine. Jerusalem was conquered about 638 AD by the Caliph Umar (Omar) who gave his protection to its inhabitants. Muslim powers controlled the region until the early 1900's when Britain had conquered Jerusalem and the area to be known as Palestine in 1917.

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The difference is we were willing to compromise and give them land ie: reservations to live on, and didnt have the attitude of all or nothing. If we did what Israel is proposing.. we would of kicked the indians out of this country, which we didnt.
You must be kidding me..you think Israel gives the attitude of all or nothing to the so-called Palestinians?

Palestinians could have 99.9% of what they ever wanted in 2000.

But Arafat walked out and started intifada..whatever.

It is much easier to steal humanitarian aid money and raise shakhids than create a state, think about how to take out the garbage and create some sort of viable economical system.
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No, you're missing the point. The founding fathers are referred to as such because they were able to enforce their will, just as they and their descendants were able to enforce their will upon Native Americans. Now you can paint these events in the light of good or evil as you see fit, but ultimately, such judgments are subjective and immaterial. Israelis can impose their will upon a people whose leadership has historically been hell bent on the extinction of their country. In the face of such a threat, what measures would find appropriate and justified?
Are you implying it was justified to steal Native American Land?? If so, do you support the return of land by the US government which has been already given to them and appropriations of funds which are given to them?? Or maybe we should just move the military back into the reservations and occupy those pesky native Americans.

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You must be kidding me..you think Israel gives the attitude of all or nothing to the so-called Palestinians?

Palestinians could have 99.9% of what they ever wanted in 2000.

But Arafat walked out and started intifada..whatever.
It was more like 80%, and even that would of divided state into 3 parts, and many areas would still be under military occupations, and they still would not get the return of there natural resources. That was a great deal for Israel, but a half-@ss one of the Palestinian people. I'm not surprised they rejected it.

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What world have you been living in??

The Canaanites have existed in Palestine since 3000 BC.

In the second millenium BC, Jerusalem was inhabited by the Jebusites, a Canaanite tribe, and the culture of the city was Canaanite. The Jebusites built a fortress, "Zion", in Jerusalem. Zion is a Canaanite word meaning "hill" or "height." Jerusalem was also known as Jebus. Canaanite society flourished for two thousand years, and many aspects of Canaanite culture and religion were later borrowed by the Hebrews.

According to a number of historians and scholars, many of the Arabs of Jerusalem today, indeed the majority of Palestinian Arabs, are descendants of the ancient Jebusites and Canaanites.

The Term Jebusite appears is the Bible. They are mentioned in the "table of nations" in Gen 10 and Gen 15. They are listed among the various peoples of the land in Exod 3:8 (along with the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, and Hivites).

During the seventh century, Muslim Arab armies moved north from Arabia to conquer most of the Middle East, including Palestine. Jerusalem was conquered about 638 AD by the Caliph Umar (Omar) who gave his protection to its inhabitants. Muslim powers controlled the region until the early 1900's when Britain had conquered Jerusalem and the area to be known as Palestine in 1917.
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We must be from the different worlds.

If you believe for a second that Palestinian arabs are the direct descendants of the people who lived around Jerusalem 5000 years ago, one of us must be illusional.

As Tora/Bible says, conquer of Palestine by the Jews coming from Egypt was quite bloody.

Not to mention all those Jerusalem Kingdoms created by the European Crusaders. If you believe for a second they didn't get rid of Canaanites or whoever was around when they had a chance...
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If America was the size of Israel, the only Native Americans you would have ever seen or heard of would have been from history books.
Maybe, but the fact still remains the areas they occupy are small compared to the land they live in. The only reason they refuse to give up the West Bank is the natural aquifers in those areas, and the strategic military advantage of being on the hills of the West Bank.

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