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They both lost in my opinion.
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^^^^ Agreed.

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They both lost in my opinion.
The big loser was the United States. Instead of trying to stop the killing, Rice and Bush said they would let it continue until Hezbollah was destroyed. In the end, all they brought was more killing, and it ended the way it always ends in the Middle East - a draw. A massive loss of prestige for the United States, which has little left it can afford to use, as we ended up looking like an accomplice to the mass murder of civilians. Of course, mass murder of civilians is what George Bush does, so I'm sure it was no skin off his ass.
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Let's start from the bottom
Nuking Syria or Iran will not be a healthy choice and soon thereafter Israel and many others will be dealing with nuclear fallout.

Syria is actually a good wild card. I am willing to bet if played right that would yield a new era in that region.

I agree that Iran will be tough nut to crack but if isolated it will implode from within. I think most Iranians have had enough of the bullshit life they have. This is not however an invitation like Cheney saw with Iraq.

The cease fire could fail, it's fragile. Time will tell

Israel not only lost that war but it lost credibility inside and out, watch Olmert being ousted...

Hezbollah I am sure is not going to roll over and play dead. It has gained so much from this war even if it lost fighters and some weapons. Other Arabs that harbor dislike of Israel are seeing them as heroes and I am afraid will be emulated. There will be no shortage of volunteers to join them I am afraid. In the end Lebanon also lost and will be in a perpetual war and that's a shame.

I agree with you Prof. Hezbollah will find it very easy to recruit new members.
I wouldn't be surprised if an entire generation of fighters had already been recruited.

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Although we may agree these points there are some important differences here. At the beginning of the war they had George Bush who was running interference for them, they had Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia blaming Hezbollah for starting this agression, they had a hostile but not very vocal EU mildly condeming Israel. They were in an excellent position to severly punish Hezbollah and push them beyond the Litani river but lacked the politcal will to do so. In fact it is my understanding that the war plan the military had drawn up included both an intensive air and ground campaign at the same time but that Olmert nixed the idea of the ground portion. Probably because he could not stomach the idea of the several hundred Israeli casaulties that this would have entailed. But in the end Israel is going to pay an even higher price for this failure. A resumption of hostilties and more deaths are inevitable on both sides because Israel failed to do the job properly this time around.

Baby boo, I feel that I agree with you completely after the war has "ended". I've read all your posts on the various threads concerning the war aftermath, I have to say I share with you the same view more or less.
From the beginning, I was skeptic if a victory for Hezbollah would mean a victory to Lebanon. I believe my skepticism is justified now. Israel and Lebanon have surely lost this war. However Hezbollah is claiming victory. And what a strange caliber for victory they have. As a Lebanese citizen, I want to know how do we weigh or assess victory:

Is it by the number of Lebanese killed: We Lost.
Is it by the number of Lebanese who left Lebanon: We Lost.
Is it by the number of Lebanese who lost faith in their country: We Lost.
Is it by the number of Lebanese who lost their jobs, businesses, homes and way of life: We Lost.
Is it by the destruction infiltrated on Lebanon and its infrastructure: We Lost.
Is it by the number of Israeli soldiers killed: We Won.

But I don't care about the last point; I care about the previous points. That's why I know that Lebanon has lost.

Israel made many strategic mistakes in this war; we are back where we started. Olmert should have gone with the prisoners exchange and save all this. The way Israeli has carried out this operation by firing at non-Hezbollah targets has galvanized the support behind it. Hezbollah has lost many fighters, that's true, but is recruiting many more instead. Hezbollah is offering to rebuild the houses destroyed by Israel. I guess money from Iran. Hezbollah is promoting itself as a protector and looking after its people. Hezbollah is saying that it won't wait for the government and doesn't need it. Many members of Hezbollah are calling for the resignation of the current government, to include more pro-Syrian members. The Israeli foreign minister said yesterday that NO army can disarm Hezbollah. The Israeli army with all its might wasn't able to do so, so don't expect that the Lebanese government to be able to do it. If Hezbollah refuses to disarm, the Lebanese government can do nothing about it. And that's what I fear.

The Syrian president has started his own propaganda now. He said that Israel's war was intended to benefit the anti-Syrian parties in Lebanon, and he assured that the Pro-Syrians will win again.

So by all means, we the non- Hezbollah Lebanese have lost.

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nobody wins a war unless somebody is conquered. I don't see that here. It is a gossamer truce at best; an opportunity to plot further bloodshed, most likely.

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Let's start from the bottom
Nuking Syria or Iran will not be a healthy choice and soon thereafter Israel and many others will be dealing with nuclear fallout.

Syria is actually a good wild card. I am willing to bet if played right that would yield a new era in that region.

I agree that Iran will be tough nut to crack but if isolated it will implode from within. I think most Iranians have had enough of the bullshit life they have. This is not however an invitation like Cheney saw with Iraq.

The cease fire could fail, it's fragile. Time will tell

Israel not only lost that war but it lost credibility inside and out, watch Olmert being ousted...

Hezbollah I am sure is not going to roll over and play dead. It has gained so much from this war even if it lost fighters and some weapons. Other Arabs that harbor dislike of Israel are seeing them as heroes and I am afraid will be emulated. There will be no shortage of volunteers to join them I am afraid. In the end Lebanon also lost and will be in a perpetual war and that's a shame.
All good points. And I agree that Iran is ripe, but will be difficult. Even though the Mullahs are estimated to have only 15 % popular supports, they'll be fighting tooth and nails to stay in power. These are the people that had very little and moved into the palaces and took over the properties and business of Shah supporters who had left the Country. The following link makes interesting reading: http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2003/0721/056_print.html The Mullahs and their supporters control the military and law enforcement. When the Shah was confronted with massive demonstrations, he refused to let his hardline generals use helicopter gunships to mow down demonstrators. This was after the Jaleh square massacre, an in parts six feet high mound of 2 - 3,000 dead Iranians who had crawlwd on top of each other trying to get away from a cross fire. Not an easy sight to forget. The Mullahs would have no scruples to massacre millions. Picture of Jaleh Sqare, those piles are corpses and they are still shooting (1979) .
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