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Why gay marriage?

Not to re-ignite a flame war, but can anyone who had been pro-gay rights or pro-gay marriage make a coherent argument "for" this position based on something meritorious? In other words, without reverting to "me too-isms" or lambasting religious establishments?

I'm just curious as to whether or not there's some reason that hasn't been made publicly evident regarding the reasons gays are seeking the right to marriage. As it appears, it's simply another way for some radicals to be contrarian and force a countercultural point of view into the mainstream...surely this isn't the image gays imagine for themselves. Is there more to it than this? If so, what is it?
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Look in the Declaration under "Right to pursuit of happiness".
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How about straightforward and simple freedom of choice? Am i missing something here?
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I wish the religious nutjobs would stop calling it gay 'marriage'. 'Marriage' happens in the church. What gays want--civil unions--has nothing to do with the church.
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Not to re-ignite a flame war, but can anyone who had been pro-gay rights or pro-gay marriage make a coherent argument "for" this position based on something meritorious? In other words, without reverting to "me too-isms" or lambasting religious establishments?

I'm just curious as to whether or not there's some reason that hasn't been made publicly evident regarding the reasons gays are seeking the right to marriage. As it appears, it's simply another way for some radicals to be contrarian and force a countercultural point of view into the mainstream...surely this isn't the image gays imagine for themselves. Is there more to it than this? If so, what is it?
Why should gays be relegated to second tier status from a legal standpoint in the USA? Why should they not have legal binding contracts as do the straights? Why should they not suffer the consequences of the law pending an inevitable breakup? Is there something inherent in their relationship that makes you think they should have no legal representation?
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Not to re-ignite a flame war, but can anyone who had been pro-gay rights or pro-gay marriage make a coherent argument "for" this position based on something meritorious? In other words, without reverting to "me too-isms" or lambasting religious establishments?

I'm just curious as to whether or not there's some reason that hasn't been made publicly evident regarding the reasons gays are seeking the right to marriage. As it appears, it's simply another way for some radicals to be contrarian and force a countercultural point of view into the mainstream...surely this isn't the image gays imagine for themselves. Is there more to it than this? If so, what is it?
Your right to the pursuit of happiness doesn't end until it infringes upon mine. How does gay marriage impede your pursuit of happiness?

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I wish the religious nutjobs would stop calling it gay 'marriage'. 'Marriage' happens in the church. What gays want--civil unions--has nothing to do with the church.
Jilly, you posted a story on 7/23 that indicates it's not "religious nutjobs" calling it "marriage"...

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Same-sex marriage pioneers split up
BOSTON - The lesbian couple whose landmark lawsuit helped Massachusetts become the only state in America where same-sex couples can marry legally have split up, a spokeswoman said Friday.

Julie and Hillary Goodridge and six other gay and lesbian couples sued Massachusetts for the right to marry and won when the state’s highest court ruled narrowly for them in 2003.
Their suit helped spark a nationwide debate on gay marriage.
This is the term the mainstream media is using, because they're not getting "civilly united", they're getting married...in a church and stuff...
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Why should gays be relegated to second tier status from a legal standpoint in the USA? Why should they not have legal binding contracts as do the straights? Why should they not suffer the consequences of the law pending an inevitable breakup? Is there something inherent in their relationship that makes you think they should have no legal representation?
First of all, I'm trying to see what the argument "for" is, and in doing so, temporarily leave my personal convictions behind. What you've written amounts to the "me too" argument. Been there, heard that.

The "Devil's Advocacy Group" so to speak, would say that marriage is a religious institution - a sacred one, predominantly Christian - in this country. The Bible, purportedly citing homosexuality as sinful, as the basis of Christianity, ties the church's hands from the standpoint of condoning it. It could by extraction be equated to condoning child molestation or murder or thievery or adultery - all acts of sin...if the Church condones sin, they lose the leverage of eternal Hell as a motivator for following their beliefs.

Either way, "because hetero's can" isn't really an argument for...I was hoping there would be some more thought put into this.
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Your right to the pursuit of happiness doesn't end until it infringes upon mine. How does gay marriage impede your pursuit of happiness?
I didn't say that it does, did I? I am wondering if there are any individual merits to the argument for civil unions / gay marriages - this again amounts to "why not me too?", for which the counter-argument is basically "religious dogma". You can't disparage one argument without making the other fair game - so what are the real reasons homosexuals seek marriage?
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So you are saying marriage among non-Christians is illegal?
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