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I defer to you rstoned. You would know about "Disease." More than anyone else here. But it is an illness! :gay:
I am not expert but would you please cite where it is defined as an illness. What kind of studies were made, how many and what's the common theme in their conclusions?
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I defer to you rstoned. You would know about "Disease." More than anyone else here. But it is an illness!
Are you implying you know better than Sigmund Freud?? I think I'm going to have to call you out on this one, lets see that Ph.D of yours?? I call

The problem with the psychoanalytic theories of homosexuality have been that they are based on the analysts' clinical observations of patients already known by them to be homosexual.

Two major problems result from this procedure. First, the analyst's theoretical orientations, expectations, and personal attitudes are likely to bias her or his observations. This is why scientists take great pains in their studies to ensure that the researchers who actually collect the data do not have expectations about how a particular research participant will respond. An example is the "double blind" procedure used in many experiments. Such procedures have not been used in clinical psychoanalytic studies of homosexuality.

A second problem with psychoanalytic studies is that they have only examined homosexuals who were already under psychiatric care – in other words, homosexuals who were seeking treatment or therapy. Patients, however, are probably not representative of well-adjusted individuals in the general population. Just as it would be inappropriate to draw conclusions about all heterosexuals based only on data from heterosexual psychiatric patients, we cannot generalize from observations of homosexual patients to the entire population of gay men and lesbians.

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That is a good question. Without a CIVIL UNION, and legal status under it, a couple does not have rights to insurance, wills, Social Security, all of the other benefits that current married couples have.

An example. I have two gay friends who have been together for 40 years. One is a noted Psychiatrist and her partner has stayed at home and raised their four adopted children. When the Psychiatrist was taken to the hospital from a bad car wreck, the doctors could not even talk to her partner about her condition because they were not "married". Only a call from me at 3am to the Director of the hospital at his home got the problem solved.

Think of all the things you can do as a married person with your jobs health insurance, benefits, 401K, life insurance, etc. Now, if something happened to you and your wife had to go to court for each and every instance that she had to address an issue that should have been obvious and normal, you would be kicking and screaming that those issues should be taken care of.

That is all they are asking. You call it "me too". But that is a real big Fn "ME TOO".
I agree with a better solution = right to a civil union. A religious union I have problems with. Must be echoes of my upbringing.
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Whoa! Perhaps familiarity breeds contempt...my goal here was to put aside my own beliefs, yet challenge the rhetoric so that I might be able to LEARN something about the issue I hadn't already heard. You were the first to do so...why the teeth?



The whole topic is excessively emotional, and emotions (while not invalid) are a poor foundation for legislation. The purpose of citing that statistic was not to establish an argument against gay marriage, but to remind that the "Church and State" crowd and their arguments are pushing the term "obtuse" to it's near-flattened limits.
The teeth were not intentional. I just saw a couple of references where 'me too' was brushed aside as having been seen before as if it did not matter. It is a very big issue to be equal. That was my point on that. Teeth were over reach.

My concerns on the various state legislatures is that history has shown they do not always vote with their brains [not picking on any subject] and something as fundamental as equal rights under the law should be a federal issue, not left to states.

And certainly no contempt was intended. You would have known it would that have been the case. :-)

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