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Anyway that statement about "true conservatives" is patently absurd. The overwhelming majority of people who have been recognized as conservatives for decades including George Will, Cal Thomas, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Bill Bennet and hundreds of others all support Israel.

The only outliers are those from the Pat Buchanan clique.
How does spending money on Israel conserve money? I am talk true conservatism here -- fiscal conservatism, which is the only kind of conservatism with merit.

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Anyway that statement about "true conservatives" is patently absurd. The overwhelming majority of people who have been recognized as conservatives for decades including George Will, Cal Thomas, Jeane Kirkpatrick, Bill Bennet and hundreds of others all support Israel.

The only outliers are those from the Pat Buchanan clique.
I think the difference is that GS was defining a "true conservative" in the fiscal sense, not in the personal support sense like those you mention above.

EDIT: You beat me to it GS. I did not see you online.

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We should not be ramming our values down anyone's throats. We should mind our own business and concede to others the same sovereignty and self-determination that we demand for ourselves.
Perfect solution friend. Unfortunately it doesn' work in the Eastern Hemisphere. If USA did what you said during WWI and WWII there would be a very good chance USA would not even exist by now.
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You can't pick and choose a single issue and make that a litmus test for conservatism. That's such a gross oversimplification.
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Yep. Easily. I am American first, second and third, period. I see Israel as our only "real" ally in the region. The moment America will give up on its allies will start the clock for the destruction of America - from both inside and outside.
I think you are merely regurgitating catch phrases that you heard on some am radio show.
Russia was our ally, then not, then again....Iran.......Italy....China......the list goes on and on

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I think you are merely regurgitating catch phrases that you heard on some am radio show.
Russia was our ally, then not, then again....Iran.......Italy....China......the list goes on and on
Sorry ThrilKill I don't listen to am or fm or any radio at all. I barely watch TV. I am old enuf to try to think myself with more or less success
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You can't pick and choose a single issue and make that a litmus test for conservatism. That's such a gross oversimplification.
Nor am I -- I'm simply applying a principle to the situation, just as I would countless other situations. You want an exception, I don't.

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Perfect solution friend. Unfortunately it doesn' work in the Eastern Hemisphere. If USA did what you said during WWI and WWII there would be a very good chance USA would not even exist by now.
Different times, different world -- we are now the world's only superpower, and have chosen a path of expansionism and aggression rather than benevolence. Stay on this path, and it will not end well....

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Sorry ThrilKill I don't listen to am or fm or any radio at all. I barely watch TV. I am old enuf to try to think myself with more or less success
Can I have your Bose passenger side midrange speaker then?............I think I blew mine.

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You can't pick and choose a single issue and make that a litmus test for conservatism. That's such a gross oversimplification.
William F Buckley is considered by damned near everyone as the father of Modern Conservatism. Read his writings on the subject, in depth, and his thoughts on the current "neocons". It will provide you with a very good education of what Conservatism really is about.

It will surprise you since it is NOT what you see on Fox or what you would hear on most talk radio.

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