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Israel Invades Lebanon

Well, the main event has started. Let's see if my theory is proven: what the US has done in Iraq has changed how war will now be fought. My belief is that Iran wants Israel to invade Lebanon, so that it can wage an Iraq-style war against them. The Iraqi insurgents have brought the most powerful nation on Earth to a standstill, to the point where they will achieve what is considered victory in Wars of Occupation: forcing your occupier to leave. In that sense, we are on the verge of losing the War in Iraq, indeed, many in the Pentagon thinking rooms believe we already have. The countries of the Middle East now see a way that war can be waged against us, or our Israeli allies, that can cause the utter upheaval in their own societies they wish, while bleeding their enemies to death. An Islamic Republic in Lebanon is what they plan to win.

What has happened? Well, we have followed policies for generations that have resulted in allowing some of the most criminal governments in human history to control the wealth of a people. These hopeless people have become willing suicide bombers, and suicide bombers have become the new weapon of war. These people have become willing to become a force in the war - a population that will hide, feed and supply a guerilla army that can wage a war of a thousand cuts. What has emerged from Iraq is a new way of warfare. Allow the invader to invade, and show the world the murder that accompanies World War II style warfare. Make them puke at the sight of a pickup truck load of blasted Iraqi kids. Make them see the Lebanese widows wail and the fathers hold their massacred children in their arms as they die. Get a fucking belly full of what war is all about, man. Now whatever they do in the name of "resistance" becomes justified. The Democracies they fight against, become agitated. It is an Achilles Heel of democracy - Nazi-style aggressive war and Fascist jackboot occupations just don't work for them, it agitates the population to see innocent people blown up when they are not quite sure what they are getting blown up about, and jackboots make free people angry, two points lost on the Neo-cons who hijacked this country, and their collaborators who we hear from so often on this board. It's going to be a whole new show. Now the Internet makes that agitation instantaneous. It is a whole new style of war. And I think Hezbollah and Iran have planned it this way. They will wage factional suicide war in Lebanon against the secularists and the Israelis, the Israelis will eventually leave after having been duped into destroying the Lebanese government and civil society just like we were duped by the Iranian spy Chalibi in Iraq, and then they will establish an Islamic Republic in Lebanon. Iraq will be one as soon as we are gone as well. After that, they will go after Jordan, and then the final piece that will lead to the defeat of the United States, who will collapse in economic ruin: Saudi Arabia. Guess who opposed the Islamic Republic bastards? Guess who was the check against them in the balance of power in this part of the world? Guess who fought a ten year war with them?

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Sounds like quicksand to me. The more you move once you are in it the faster you sink
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What's happening in Iraq is a civil war first and foremost where most of the casaulties are not American forces but Sunni vs Shiiia.

Even though they share the religion of Islam they despise each other.

The country of Yugoslavia held together disparite elements with the benefit of a strong distatorship. When that ended Yugoslavia disintegrated.

The solution to Iraq is partition.
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You guys sure are hopeful for failure.

In contrast, I hope for success.

If your folks win in November your side can force retreat. That's the way the ball bounces.

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What's happening in Iraq is a civil war first and foremost where most of the casaulties are not American forces but Sunni vs Shiiia.

Even though they share the religion of Islam they despise each other.

The country of Yugoslavia held together disparite elements with the benefit of a strong distatorship. When that ended Yugoslavia dissolved.

The solution to Iraq is partition.
Yep at the tune of how much again? How long are you willing to finance this?
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You guys sure are hopeful for failure.

In contrast, I hope for success.

If your folks win in November your side can force retreat. That's the way the ball bounces.

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I am voting for Nader, what side again?
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I am voting for Nader, what side again?
Success is not attained through injustice. Dream on
Unless you have God on your side, success is attained by neither justice nor injustice.

It is attained by winning.

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Unless you have God on your side, success is attained by neither justice nor injustice.

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Ah I see you are a follower of Bush's Doctrine, God does talk to him
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The country of Yugoslavia held together disparite elements with the benefit of a strong distatorship. When that ended Yugoslavia disintegrated.
That is absolutely untrue. Yugoslavia held together until a strong dictator attempted to grab the reins. That attempt was the beginning of the end.....

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You guys sure are hopeful for failure.

In contrast, I hope for success.

If your folks win in November your side can force retreat. That's the way the ball bounces.

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Back to Kuhn. Go get a copy of his book. Your definition of "war" and "failure" and "retreat" is no longer operable. The new paradigm is a choice between endless war or committing genocide on those you wish to subjugate, because subjugation is no longer possible in the face of suicide weapons. We are Picket's Charge, the last breath of Nazi syle warfare in a world that has figured out how the weak can fight the jackboot. There is no such thing as "victory" in any of this, in fact, whatever definition you give of it is obviously impossible.
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