Originally Posted by Botnst
Proof that we see what we choose to see and learn from that the lessons we choose to learn.
You suggested it was impossible to beat an insurgency.
I offer examples of failed insurgencies
You set a new goal of finding an insurgency that matches the current one.
Here are facts: No war has ever been like any other war.
1. No insurgency has ever been like any other insurgency.
2. There is no one method that will always work on either side.
3. Failure to adapt to changes in the confrontation will lead to further failure.
4. The one that abandons the effort loses.
Bot, are those 4 facts or 5 facts you listed with only 4 worthy of a numerical designator/
I think I agree with your facts, however you count them. My question is, how do you think we are dealing with number 3? Who is doing the innovating? Are we or are we not failing to adapt?
You seem to get in a huff about the perspective that the US is failing, especially on number 3, as it seems to suggest we cannot reverse the pattern, and the failure is going to inevitably lead to defeat. At this stage in Iraq, we have to first decide if not abandoning the effort is worth the costs of American lives, Iraqi lives, and that requires we make the objective known, debate it in Congress, and agree or not to stick it out. Then we can determine the skills needed to adapt to the changes, and make them available. But without making an honest assessment of what we are there to accomplish, what the present situation actually is, what is needed and a committment to provide what is needed to win, we are not going to win. We are lost.
At the moment, I think it would be very difficult to enunciate a purpose for being in Iraq that would be supported in Congress with an honest assessment of what the costs in terms of American, Iraqi and other lives will be, as well as what the bill to the taxpayers will be. Without that though, we need to get out. This is not some condemnation of the American military in general, it is an acknowledgement that we have sent them into harm's way without a complelling mission or the resources they need to get the job done. That, we should know by now, is a formula for failure. Jim