Originally Posted by QBNCGAR
Does this mean the only defense is to stick it out? If so, is it even worthwhile trying to convince the constituency at-large that this is how it's going to end up working (despite the fact that foregoing public explanation results in you and yours being labeled warmongers or idiots or monkey-fuckers or whatever else they can lay on you)?
It is refreshing to see you examining the full spectrum of questions and problems before embracing a specific solution. It is refreshing because the broader viewpoint you are examining seems to include a perspective you previously discounted. It helps that it is closer to "mine" as I would freely acknowledge I would be less impressed if KV began to embrace the other side's perspective. The actual question of "what to do now?" is more difficult to answer when you look at the broader range of possiblities though.
I think the choices looking forward have to consider "lessons learned" so far, which I believe can be boiled down to "don't become involved in elective wars" especially with people from entirely foriegn cultures. Wars must be avoided unless you really have no other choice to survive.
Sounds like something we should all be able to take for granted, but, when you look at how we got into the Iraq quagmire, it is now clear we started this invasion and occupation of Iraq unprovoked and without any real threat to our country. By a President who was eligible to be sent to Vietnam, where America should have learned this lesson with the same horror etched indelibility of the lesson the Germans learned when the horrors of Dachau and Auschwitz and other concentration camps were laid at their feet by a deeply shocked world in public trials of those Germans accused of crimes against humanity. But somehow we got duped into believing our superior technology was sufficiently more superior today than it was during Vietnam that we could reasonably expect to have a clean, cheap adventure in Iraq. There is a real lesson to be learned here. We would be well advised to review how the Germans reacted to their shame.
When your survival is threatened, you do whatever it takes to win. Which would likely be another form of horror for humanity if we were pushed to using nukes. Using standards that prevented war unless it was truly the only way to survive, we would be forced to place more importance on the skills of true diplomats, and spend more time developing and grooming such skills to keep us from these elective wars. Another lesson to be learned - have the skills to bring choices to the table, and stop being so impressed with destructive techno toys. Be more impressed with smarts and hard work. Smarts and hard work are what distinguished America up to this point - including giving us the technical gadgetry and weapons we have fallen in love with - not the arrogance of being a "super power" in a world of suicide bombers and terrorists. Jim