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Has he no right to lecture his elected US Rep?
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You tell me, because I am confused. I tried to answer it for myself but there are so many contradictions. For instance, one would think Iran but then again they don't get a long with Sunnis then I would shift to the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood then I get even more confused when I find out that they are a legitimate party over there yet banned elsewhere. Then you have Al-Qaeda which traces its origins to the Afghan war yet it's not Afghani.
Let's be even more specific and use the "Brotherhood". These guys are also referred to as "les barbues" in some places. They somehow managed to get themselves some political weight in some very secular Arab countries and sure enough took them right into civil war. When those same countries asked the United States for help in identifying some key members knowing the fact that some served in Afghanistan fighting the Russians and were paid by the US to do so, they were ignored and sometimes told by the US State Department tough shit and to chuck it to the “democratic” process.
Those same assholes that butchered many locals in the name of Islam now are running some of those governments after toppling the “socialist” minded seculars. After 9-11 the US asked those same countries to come and join them in the “War on Terror”, is that Irony or what?
Does this cut to the chase a bit? Help me understand what's going on here
If you're a well organized, motivated individual, you know that the path toward any goal involves breaking it down into small milestone achievements. So let's assume for a moment that the fundamentalist Islamic contingency in the middle east is in fact pursuing a strictly literal and vastly misconstrued interpretation of the Quoran (spelling?) - ergo, the extermination not only of Jews, but of non-Muslims.

If you're not well enough equipped to take on the entire non-Muslim world at one time, perhaps (as it has been opined here) it makes sense to have the entire non-Muslim world take on one-another as a starting point.

If you were to make a project plan out of this, the action items, timelines & dependencies may look very similar to an account of the events to-date. How unrealistic is the following?

* Work toward nuclear weapons capability - what's to lose?
* Wait for the international community to freak out about an Arab having the bomb, as they offer you concessions.
* Destabilize the region by funding and arming brainwashed lemmings to start a fight with the neighborhood dork. Watch other big countries take predictable sides.
* Have some of your not-so-secret buddies argue that you NEED the bomb to "stabilize the region" - of course, your "buddies" THINK you want to eliminate the Jews, which they're down with, when in reality you know they'll be next in line.

That brings us to the present, where Iran in particular has established a win-win-win-win-win scenario. You get to keep developing the bomb consequence free, which you'll get to use whenever you want as long as you play it right; you get to put your enemies on slow-bleed by fighting them the only way history has demonstrated you can (a la Viet-Kong); you may inspire others to start some shit in their neighborhoods, which may provide opportunities to press the button if it appears big brother gets spread too thin; you get Wall Street freaking out, which jacks up the price of your most abundant commodity - a good thing, since war is expensive...oil is the fuel, and hatred is the fire - you've got plenty of both; the kicker is that none of your "chosen" have to shed a drop of blood, since there are so many morons willing to do it for you. They think they're dying for Allah, when in fact they're dying for you.

If this is accurate, you sure can't fault the axis of evil for missing out on history class or being luddites - we have effectively taught them how to win against us.

Shit...now what?
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Wow. You're actually starting to get this, aren't you?
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If you're a well organized, motivated individual, you know that the path toward any goal involves breaking it down into small milestone achievements. So let's assume for a moment that the fundamentalist Islamic contingency in the middle east is in fact pursuing a strictly literal and vastly misconstrued interpretation of the Quoran (spelling?) - ergo, the extermination not only of Jews, but of non-Muslims.

If you're not well enough equipped to take on the entire non-Muslim world at one time, perhaps (as it has been opined here) it makes sense to have the entire non-Muslim world take on one-another as a starting point.

If you were to make a project plan out of this, the action items, timelines & dependencies may look very similar to an account of the events to-date. How unrealistic is the following?

* Work toward nuclear weapons capability - what's to lose?
* Wait for the international community to freak out about an Arab having the bomb, as they offer you concessions.
* Destabilize the region by funding and arming brainwashed lemmings to start a fight with the neighborhood dork. Watch other big countries take predictable sides.
* Have some of your not-so-secret buddies argue that you NEED the bomb to "stabilize the region" - of course, your "buddies" THINK you want to eliminate the Jews, which they're down with, when in reality you know they'll be next in line.

That brings us to the present, where Iran in particular has established a win-win-win-win-win scenario. You get to keep developing the bomb consequence free, which you'll get to use whenever you want as long as you play it right; you get to put your enemies on slow-bleed by fighting them the only way history has demonstrated you can (a la Viet-Kong); you may inspire others to start some shit in their neighborhoods, which may provide opportunities to press the button if it appears big brother gets spread too thin; you get Wall Street freaking out, which jacks up the price of your most abundant commodity - a good thing, since war is expensive...oil is the fuel, and hatred is the fire - you've got plenty of both; the kicker is that none of your "chosen" have to shed a drop of blood, since there are so many morons willing to do it for you. They think they're dying for Allah, when in fact they're dying for you.

If this is accurate, you sure can't fault the axis of evil for missing out on history class or being luddites - we have effectively taught them how to win against us.

Shit...now what?
That is the victory strategy taught at Patrice Lamumba University. It is predicated on the assumption that the opposition hasn't the heart for a protracted fight.
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Wow. You're actually starting to get this, aren't you?
I had to un-ignore you to read this...glad it was worthwhile.

So....maybe we can collectively get off the stage of "Who's the Bigger Middle East Asshole" with our contestants Israel and Hezbollah, and see what everyone has to say about dealing with the root causes (as best we can fathom them)?
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That is the victory strategy taught at Patrice Lamumba University. It is predicated on the assumption that the opposition hasn't the heart for a protracted fight.
Does this mean the only defense is to stick it out? If so, is it even worthwhile trying to convince the constituency at-large that this is how it's going to end up working (despite the fact that foregoing public explanation results in you and yours being labeled warmongers or idiots or monkey-fuckers or whatever else they can lay on you)?
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That is the victory strategy taught at Patrice Lamumba University. It is predicated on the assumption that the opposition hasn't the heart for a protracted fight.
And it fails when the opposition is deeply motivated and united. It is why we will lose the Iraq War.
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I had to un-ignore you to read this...glad it was worthwhile.

So....maybe we can collectively get off the stage of "Who's the Bigger Middle East Asshole" with our contestants Israel and Hezbollah, and see what everyone has to say about dealing with the root causes (as best we can fathom them)?

We have reached a historical moment, this post must be etched on stone for all to see.
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