Originally Posted by Botnst
I am reminded me of something Erwin Schrodinger said when presented with a particular kind of theory.
Arguing the validity of statistics is not the same as being uncaring of loss of innocent lives. Now help me out and show me as succinctly as you can, where my inconsistency is.
Bot, not to pick a fight, but had the original poster of the issue been raising a query for us to debate on the validity of statistics, or some theory of statistics and their usage, and was using dead humans for the exercise, I would see your point as clearly as you intended. However, as I read the sequence of the thread, the point
was, an alarmingly large number of humans are being maimed, mutilated, and killed by direct and indirect actions of the US military. In this case taking the thread into a discussion of good and bad statistics avoids the original point - the taking of thousands of Iraqi lives by our continued presence in the country, which was preceded by a brutal invasion that took thousands of Iraqi lives as well.
The women and children killed by "Shock and Awe" alone, just the ones in the news photos, should have been enough to make the distinction between how many thousands and how the figures were developed, moot. These were people we, as Americans, murdered for God only knows what reason. It is sure now it was not WMD. You never cared about that. And if it was to depose Saddam, well, someone needs to take the power to do that out of the hands of the present administration because they cannot understand anyone outside Texas, apparently, they cannot plan and they cannot get the job done, no matter where or what it is. Katrina was in the US and we were paralyzed.
It can be looked at in any light you like. Just for your blood pressure, say Bush didn't lie. He really thought there were WMD there and he was saving America. He couldn't have been more wrong. He has apparently learned nothing and continues his cowboy confrontational style. May work for getting a better price on your Hummer at the local Hummer dealer, but that doesn't make the technique universally successful. Being unable to distinguish when to act and when to gather data, and how to act when you decide to act, is a flaw, a flaw so serious it disqualifies the afflicted persons from being charged with the responsibility to make life and death decisions for others. His incompetence has turned America into war criminals. Not our soldiers over there, us. Those of us at home doing nothing to stop this horror.
Stopping it requires we recognize it for what it is and stop trying to find an angle to peddle to sustain an outlook that it is not so bad. It is that bad. Your diversion into statistics is just one such pitiful attempt. Jim