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bet about what?
1. Whether there will be an international meeting as you described.
2. Foreign (European, led by France) soldiers introduced between Israel and Hezbollah with rules of engagement that allow them to use force to confiscate Hez' weapons.
3. Continued European training of Lebanon's national army into a cohesive, national force.
4. Large infusion of money from Europe and America into Lebanon, after French troops are on the ground, controlled by the Lebanese government for rebuilding the areas formerly controlled by Hezbollah. This will help shift allegeince from Hez to the Lebanese central gov.
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While car bombs go off left and right. We've given them a new outlook on warfare, and a new way to defeat us. At this point, I doubt if the French will be interested in playing us in Iraq, in Lebanon.

Blair is starting to get the new paradigm and the futility of WWII style solutions:

Blair warns of 'arc of extremism'

Tony Blair called for "stronger values" to fight extremism

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Tony Blair has warned that an "arc of extremism" is stretching across the Middle East and he called for a radical rethink on foreign policy.
Mr Blair told the World Affairs Council in Los Angeles that Syria and Iran had to stop supporting terrorism or they would "be confronted".

His speech was planned some weeks ago but he said the Lebanon crisis had "brought it into sharp relief".

He said there was now a war "of a completely unconventional kind".

The Prime Minister said: "There is an arc of extremism now stretching across the Middle East and touching countries far outside that region."

He said in Iraq, Syria had allowed al-Qaeda operatives to "cross the border" while Iran had supported extremist Shia.

"The purpose of the terrorism in Iraq is absolutely simple - carnage, causing sectarian hatred, leading to civil war," he said.

'Export of instability'

Mr Blair added: "We need to make clear to Syria and Iran that there is a choice: come in to the international community and play by the same rules as the rest of us; or be confronted."

"Their support of terrorism, their deliberate export of instability, their desire to see wrecked the democratic prospect in Iraq, is utterly unjustifiable, dangerous and wrong.

"If they keep raising the stakes, they will find they have miscalculated."

Mr Blair also spoke about the conflict between Israel and Lebanon and said that the "purpose of the provocation" that began it "was clear".

We will not win the battle against this global extremism unless we win it at the level of values as much as force

"It was to create chaos, division and bloodshed, to provoke retaliation by Israel that would lead to Arab and Muslim opinion being inflamed, not against those who started the aggression but against those who responded to it," he said.

However, he said it was still possible to come out of the crisis "with a better long-term prospect for the cause of moderation in the Middle East succeeding".

He added: "But it would be absurd not to face up to the immediate damage to that cause which has been done."

Mr Blair said all would be done to try to halt the hostilities in the conflict.

"But once that has happened we must commit ourselves to a complete renaissance of our strategy to defeat those that threaten us," he said.

'Alliance of moderation'

Mr Blair spoke of how he believed "global extremism" should be tackled.

"To defeat it will need an alliance of moderation that paints a different future in which Muslim, Jew and Christian, Arab and Western, wealthy and developing nations can make progress in peace and harmony.

"We will not win the battle against this global extremism unless we win it at the level of values as much as force, unless we show we are even-handed, fair and just in our application of those values to the world."

He said this "unconventional" war must be won through these values.

"This war can't be won in a conventional way, it can only be won by showing that our values are stronger, better and more just, more fair than the alternatives," he said.

'Values change'

However, he said this required a dramatic change in strategy.

The prime minsiter told his 2,000-strong audience there was now an "elemental struggle" about values that was set to shape the world's future.

He said it was a part of struggle between what he called reactionary Islam and moderate mainstream Islam.

And in Iraq and Afghanistan he said "the banner was not actually regime change it was values change".

"What we have done therefore in intervening in this way, is probably far more momentous than we appreciated at the time," he said
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Propaganda...British style !!!!
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Hey, I'll take the bet on the French. What's the time limit? I'm starting to smell Cajun Charlie's in Sulphur, LA. Man, the ribs will fucking make you scream just smelling em.

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Hey, I'll take the bet on the French. What's the time limit? I'm starting to smell Cajun Charlie's in Sulphur, LA. Man, the ribs will fucking make you scream just smelling em.
You think the French are going to back out?
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I didn't know they were "in".
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I didn't know they were "in".
They have been in discussions with the other NATO and EU memnbers for about a week. This is part of the delay at the UN, to get the various roles and responsibibilities sorted-out.

It is also the reason that the Iranian FS was in Damascus, to figure-out how Hez, Syria and Iran were going to adapt to this emerging possibility.

The French could still back out. I think it depends largely on what Iran says to them and on how badly Israel degrades Hez. If Iran abandons the military option with Hez then that will be a greenlight for France.

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The Red Cross and Human Rights Watch today lowered the death count at Qana to 28 Lebanese killed (including 16 children). One 17 year old male is among the dead. No other male was under the age of 55.

Of course Hezbollah has already gotten its shock value out of this.

And no one has yet explained where the men were.
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The Red Cross and Human Rights Watch today lowered the death count at Qana to 28 Lebanese killed (including 16 children). One 17 year old male is among the dead. No other male was under the age of 55.

Of course Hezbollah has already gotten its shock value out of this.

And no one has yet explained where the men were.
Cite your source, I want to read it
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