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How would one determine whether a dead Arab man in southern Lebanon was Hezbollah or not?

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I am sure you have figured out a joke for this one, do tell
Golly, it does read like a joke, but I'm serious.

With armies it's usually pretty easy because of uniforms and dog tags and such. But with irregulars, unless they have a weapon in hand when they are dead, how would you tell?

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Golly, it does read like a joke, but I'm serious.

With armies it's usually pretty easy because of uniforms and dog tags and such. But with irregulars, unless they have a weapon in hand when they are dead, how would you tell?

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This is not a new problem. A few posts back Baby Boo and I discussed the Algerian revolution where the French labeled the resistance as terrorists and of course had no uniforms, no dog tags, no vehicles, no tanks, no airplanes, no military infrastructure or forts yet President Kennedy disagreed in calling them as such and for all intensive purposes they were freedom fighters. After their independence not even the French disputed that title any longer. What do you say of that?
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This is not a new problem. A few posts back Baby Boo and I discussed the Algerian revolution where the French labeled the resistance as terrorists and of course had no uniforms, no dog tags, no vehicles, no tanks, no airplanes, no military infrastructure or forts yet President Kennedy disagreed in calling them as such and for all intensive purposes they were freedom fighters. After their independence not even the French disputed that title any longer. What do you say of that?
First, the Algerians and French did not pay attention to the Geneva Conventions.

Second, the winners write the history.
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Second, the winners write the history.
Not too many prominent French historians eh?
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Not too many prominent French historians eh?
Oh man, if I'd said that Zeitgeist would've sniffed imperiously at me for being anti-French.
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First, the Algerians and French did not pay attention to the Geneva Conventions.

Second, the winners write the history.
No, that war included some NATO forces, so one side was bound to the conventions
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Hey I'm of French "extraction". French is my native tongue, English second. When I was young we only spoke French in the house and my father was active in French societies. I still have a medal given to him by the French council general and it's hanging proudly in my house.
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...and for all intensive purposes...
I know you're not an English professor, but the phrase is "for all intents and purposes".
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Are you serious?

If Hezbollah can't fight this battle pursuant to the provisions of the Geneva convention, how can anything they do be legitimized? I'm not taking sides or laying blame for the START of the war, but now that it's underway, the Hezbollah fighters sure seem like a bunch of pussies playing hide-and-go-seek....throw a rock (or missile in this case), then run and hide to a safety base (like a mosque or a hospital, or a UN observation station). Fuck that...if you want your land back so bad, go fight for it like men....
You sound like one of England's finest after losing a battle to the American Revolutionary Army. You fail to see that the enemy does not need to engage us on our terms. We are all too eager to confront him on his terms. Because we are being led to war by simpletons who are like clay in the hands of these Islamic Fundamentalist shitbirds. They are in control and have been since we launched "Shock and Awe" for, apparently, an evening of entertainment for the 'Merkin public, the taxpayers footing the bill for this fiasco. Like a big, early 4th of July celebration for Iraq that has been as effective as premature ejaculation is at establishing your reputation as a lover. And now we have allowed the scale to be escalated through our surrogate in the region, Israel.

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