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I saw a brief but compelling interview on CNN with a well-spoken middle-aged man who had survived the incident. He said something to the effect (paraphrasing) 'We see what Israel is trying to do. They are trying to promote hatred and create terrorists here. Well, I have a response for them'. He then walks over to a bush, grabs a branch thick with flowers, and tosses it on the ground as he says 'Here is my response. You will not succeed. We will not turn to hate. We will not kill your women and your children.'
I don't think they will believe him, he better leave that area or he will be killed "by mistake".
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Ok. So the coverage is very similar.

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"As for Hezbollah holding these people in the building, I was thinking, maybe it was also a Hezbollah member you crossed into Israel, stole an Israeli fighter jet, flew with it and bombed the building while other members held the people hostage. You have quite a science-fiction imagination.
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Yeah, I can see how closely those two are related. Do you really think it is that far a stretch to believe that it is possible Hezbollah held those people there? Do you think Hezbollah has genuine concern for the Lebanese people? Can I please have some of the stuff you are smoking!! I personally believe the surveillance video that shows rockets being fired from that location and that Israel did not know civilians were hiding or held in that building. You keep saying that if you are there you know what exactly is going on. However, I would think that your opinion would be skewed if you were living in the fighting. How can you have an open opinion if bombs are dropping and civilians are dieing?
My personal feelings are the Hezbollah should be disarmed completely. Weather that happens by Lebanese turning them in (not likely), Israel disarming them, or a multi national (joke, its is almost always a US force. We never get credit just a bad name.), or some other means.

Also, These are my comments about my opinions. I do not mean any malice to others and their opinions. I don't live in a war zone, so please keep that in perspective.
I think you're conflating two entirely different phenomena: Suicide bombing to kill the enemy and murder of civilians for propaganda purposes.

A suicide bomber will sacrifice himself to destroy his "enemy" but I have seen no evidence to suggest that they would sacrifice their own families for propaganda purposes. Have you? Of course once they're dead, no country or political movement is above using the dead for political or propaganda purposes.
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I hope he is right that they will not turn into terrorist.

The video was in Anderson Cooper 360 last night. He showed it a few times. I looked on the site but could not find it. Silver Arrow is correct. Israel said the rocket come from a similar building. It looked to be the same building but the seem to look allot alike in the pictures.
I don't think that Israel bombed civilians on purpose, and don't know that Hezbollah held anyone there to die. I don't know for fact that it happened or that they launch rockets from heavily populated areas to increase the chance of civilian casualties for sympathy and to try and push an immediate cease-fire before they are disarmed. It just seems highly likely to me.

No sweat Professor. I wasn't offended. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't offending others. I know how passionate these type of discussions become and I like to let it be know that I am trying to express my opinions on the internet without the aid of facial expression, inflection of voice or body language.
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Yep Rob, I am waiting too, because I can't wait to switch camps and join the "know it all". ...
You're already encamped in that territory.
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I hope he is right that they will not turn into terrorist.

The video was in Anderson Cooper 360 last night. He showed it a few times. I looked on the site but could not find it. Silver Arrow is correct. Israel said the rocket come from a similar building. It looked to be the same building but the seem to look allot alike in the pictures.
Similar = different. I am amazed that this little piece of propaganda would fool anyone. As soon as I heard "similar", my bullshit meter immediately pinned...

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I hope he is right that they will not turn into terrorist.

The video was in Anderson Cooper 360 last night. He showed it a few times. I looked on the site but could not find it. Silver Arrow is correct. Israel said the rocket come from a similar building. It looked to be the same building but the seem to look allot alike in the pictures.
I don't think that Israel bombed civilians on purpose, and don't know that Hezbollah held anyone there to die. I don't know for fact that it happened or that they launch rockets from heavily populated areas to increase the chance of civilian casualties for sympathy and to try and push an immediate cease-fire before they are disarmed. It just seems highly likely to me.

No sweat Professor. I wasn't offended. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't offending others. I know how passionate these type of discussions become and I like to let it be know that I am trying to express my opinions on the internet without the aid of facial expression, inflection of voice or body language.
No problem Rob, but here is the latest and I have a post/thread that mentioned that Israel is now looking at ways to distance itself from that "accident". They are claiming, and this is in Hareetz, that this building collapse is suspect and there is a possibility that the IDF never bombed it. The article supports its point by pointing out that it took hours before the people were rescued.
Rob, this is clearly turning into a propaganda war and we must not accept any bullshit from either side. We on the other hand have the power to stop this insanity by pressing for a cease-fire and force each party on a negotiation table or else (yes that includes Israel).
Maybe this is the time we can prove to ourselves that our saying "or else" still carries some weight. If not then we are doomed.
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I hope he is right that they will not turn into terrorist.

The video was in Anderson Cooper 360 last night. He showed it a few times. I looked on the site but could not find it. Silver Arrow is correct. Israel said the rocket come from a similar building. It looked to be the same building but the seem to look allot alike in the pictures.
I don't think that Israel bombed civilians on purpose, and don't know that Hezbollah held anyone there to die. I don't know for fact that it happened or that they launch rockets from heavily populated areas to increase the chance of civilian casualties for sympathy and to try and push an immediate cease-fire before they are disarmed. It just seems highly likely to me.

No sweat Professor. I wasn't offended. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't offending others. I know how passionate these type of discussions become and I like to let it be know that I am trying to express my opinions on the internet without the aid of facial expression, inflection of voice or body language.

You're right; these discussions are very passionate especially if you're directly affected with what's going on. Speaking for myself, I wasn't offended one bit, and I welcome and encourage any insight or view that you may add this discussion.

The buildings look the same, because it's dark simply.
As for Israel not bombing civilians on purpose, I will not say that they do. But I will say this: 95% of the causalities are civilians which by the way exceeded the 800 today. Every person has the right to draw his own conclusions from that.

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The article supports its point by pointing out that it took hours before the people were rescued.

It was 2 A.M, the roads were cut and there was shelling all over the place. How do they expect an immediate rescue is beyond me...

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