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post #31 of 44 (permalink) Old 07-24-2006, 07:22 AM
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It's Bueller.B U E L L E R.Write it out 100 times, pay attention at the back and stop looking out of the window at the pretty flowers.
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It's Bueller.B U E L L E R.Write it out 100 times, pay attention at the back and stop looking out of the window at the pretty flowers.
Bweller. Boller.

I'm already tired.

Beuhler, Beuhler. Ah, that's better.

(I didn't know there was a correct spelling. Crepe.)
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Yes, correct spelling is manditory...mandotory...mandatory



btw: While we're on the topic, anybody remember this rightwing wacko?

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As long as religious parties are involved in democracy, democracy will be nothing more than a vehicle for the Islamic fundies to regain power, as we are seeing in Iraq, Palestine and Lebanon.

I think we can see the beginnings of' the same thing happening here. It is my suspicion that more preachers and churches were actively stumping for GW last election. Hell, even a Catholic Cardinal came out against Kerry forr being anti abortion. I'd bet it has a lot to do with the faith based initiatives. The Republicans have essentially bought off the christian right with this program and are reaping the rewards of it. Faith based initiatives SEEMED harmless and reasonable enough, but now I am feeling morer and more that it as a terrible idea that we're going to pay for (likely with a new muslim christian war).
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btw: While we're on the topic, anybody remember this rightwing wacko?

I defer to your expertaciousness.

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I think we can see the beginnings of' the same thing happening here. It is my suspicion that more preachers and churches were actively stumping for GW last election. Hell, even a Catholic Cardinal came out against Kerry forr being anti abortion. I'd bet it has a lot to do with the faith based initiatives. The Republicans have essentially bought off the christian right with this program and are reaping the rewards of it. Faith based initiatives SEEMED harmless and reasonable enough, but now I am feeling morer and more that it as a terrible idea that we're going to pay for (likely with a new muslim christian war).
That's the point I'm trying to make to the rather unfocused Mr. Teutone. The decline of Islam had little to do with any events in the West. It is actually a reoccurent theme in Islamic culture that can be traced to Mohammend himself - Islamic culture becomes urbanized and attempts modernity, and then the bumpkins from the country come bashing in to "purify" the faith. It is the story of Mohammend and the Medinians over and over again. The Turks did it on a massive scale, replacing what was at that time what was a more advanced society than that found in the west, with one that was crude, cruel and base - and they used the same justifications for killing fellow Muslims. The same is true of the Taliban and Shiite fundamentalist movements - they are rurally based, and are attempting to do the same thing - replace modernity with foolish thinking typified by belief in demons and other magical creatures. Our current "Religious Right" is attempting to introduce the same dynamic into our culture, and set us back as well with the same results.
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The very same point had been made by others and myself in older threads, that I thought you were aware of. We had threads about how the the polarization of fundamentalist Christianity and fundamentalist Islam coincide, and so on. Also, even long after the 1453 fall of Costantinople, Turkey had two million Christians with the Armenians of Anatolia, which had been their homeland for 3,000 years, until the Turkish genocide in the first quarter of the 19th century. If you travel through Anatolia, you can still see that the Mosques used to be Churches. When you say: 'And the argument over whether Turkey is or is not a Democracy, we could have the same ones about America.' While I can agree that the U.S.A. is not a true Democracy, you probably have no first hand knowledge of Turkey. It's not even close. Your quote: ....'The same is true of the Taliban and Shiite fundamentalist movements'...... What about Sunni Wahabism? , and: 'Typified by belief in demons and other magical creatures.' You can find ignorant people everywhere. The people you refer to, at least have the excuse of not having had any schools/opportunuty to get an education, while our ignoramuses were/are just too lazy to apply themselves. As far as my focus goes, I have managed quite well so far, but I appreciate your concern. BTW, is calling other members 'cretin' really necessary? Cheerio.

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Hey, we got one asshole all worked up over a flag burning. Let's set Mohammands ass on fire and see what happens. Peace be upon them both, that is.


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Hey, what about Pope Joan?

And if there WASN'T ever a woman pope posing as a man, what's with the ritual of feeling the new guy's nuts in the "holey" chair?

And can't we start another thread about the rise of the Christian right and the decline of the American empire?

I was in Paris two years ago, and there was a huge billboard in the middle of the city announcing, "the decline of American empire".
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