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"Clearly the negatives outweigh the positives of maintaining the silly "right" to personal gun ownership."

What are you basing this statement upon?

50,000 die and 350,000 are maimed by motor vehicles each year.

Does that clearly indicate that the negatives outweigh the positives when considering silly personal transportation?

Or are you failing to take into account both sides of the equation?
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That's funny, because I was just thinking we need to get 79-300 and Brian together, choice of weapons at ten paces, turn and fire until the magazine(s) are empty.

Just a thought.
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Automobiles were designed to provided personal transportation. Handguns were designed to take human life. In one instance, death is an accidental consequence of use. In the other, death is the intended consequence of use. That makes for a rather poor analogy, don't you think?

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Automobiles were designed to provided personal transportation. Handguns were designed to take human life. In one instance, death is an accidental consequence of use. In the other, death is the intended consequence of use. That makes for a rather poor analogy, don't you think?

They are not analogous.

Each is associated with benefits and detriments, however.

To ignore the benefits of private firearm ownership would be silly and disingenuous.

Some amount of life, liberty and property is protected. Some amount of recreation is accomplished.

First we must quantify these benefits. It is irrational to apply the "if one person is harmed" standard.
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Handguns were designed to take human life.
Actually, handguns were designed as DEFENSIVE weapons. They are a poor substitute for a rifle.

Faced with an armed attacker determined to do harm to you family, what role does a handgun play in your hands?
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"Clearly the negatives outweigh the positives of maintaining the silly "right" to personal gun ownership."

What are you basing this statement upon?

50,000 die and 350,000 are maimed by motor vehicles each year.

Does that clearly indicate that the negatives outweigh the positives when considering silly personal transportation?

Or are you failing to take into account both sides of the equation?
As Ron stated, that's a silly analogy. But, in a general sense, I do believe personal motor vehicle ownership has a vast number of negatives that are within striking range of achieving parity with the positives. I love cars and motorcycles, but as populations and densities increase, I don't think the personal motor vehicle represents a viable alternative for the future.

What are the positive benefits to society of personal gun ownership?
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Faced with an armed attacker determined to do harm to you family, what role does a handgun play in your hands?
A potential weapon to be used against me.
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What are the positive benefits to society of personal gun ownership?
Societal benefits are the aggregation of individual benefits.

Between 1 and 3 million crimes are thwarted each year by armed private citizens.

(I will let you select the most anti-gun site you can find as a source.)

The shooting sports represent an array of recreational opportunities as valid as any other.

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