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Old 07-15-2006, 01:54 PM   #91 (permalink)
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Israeli attacks will only fuel the pro-Syrian, pro-Iranian factions and increase their power and influence.

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Old 07-15-2006, 01:56 PM   #92 (permalink)
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Thanks Professor.
It's just that people living the Middle East conflict since the day they were born see things in a totally different perspective than people watching it on the news.
Nothing Personal...I have people here from Beruit I consider close friends....and Hesbolah is responsible to starting this. They never dissarmed like they agreed to as a condition to Isreals pulling out. And this is not to diminish Syrias responmsibility in all of this as well as Iranian funding and weapons supplies to cause what is happening today.

Yeah people are going to get hurt...but people have been getting hurt in Isreal as well by that same bunch who refuse to recognise Ireals right to exist. Its a sad fact of war that innocent people are going to get hurt. But Hesbolah has been hiding in residential neighborhoods..so ultimately they have to burden ALL of the blame for this.

Here in the USA we have a saying....play with matches as your are going to get burnt. How long do you think Isreal was obligated to sit quiet when they are attacked. Sort of a double standard here. Hesbolah and Hamas sends terrorists to blow themselves up and kill innocent kids and women yet cry foul when Isreal has had enough and responds.
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Old 07-15-2006, 01:59 PM   #93 (permalink)
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And exactly what in the hell do you call terrorist strikes against Isreal?

Or do you secretly want to commit Genocide like they have openly called for by exterminating Isreal?

Sorry. It will be a cold day in hell before I kiss the butt of terrorists and call them a friend.

No will I do that for those who do either. Want to bet France is getting paid by Iran just like they were getting paid by Saddam. You would have thought they learned appeasment never works. With as many times as they got their butts kicked you would think Europeans could grasp that concept.

You may want to live under some damn stupid Islamic state...which is what you advocate since thats exactly what they are setting out to force uppon others. And will stop at nothing short of it. Appeasing them is the same exact thing as supporting them.
I see that the brain washing campaign has worked on you or you are simply as clueless as a doorknob. Not even Sliver Arrow who is a native of that area has called for the destruction of Israel, as matter of fact he clearly stated his dismay at the abduction of the Israeli soldiers. This I hope should explain to you that not all people from that region even under duress think like you do, you know what I mean like in a binary format.
Anyway, I am not kissing some terrorist butt nor should we do that; however, we must recognize injustice and remedy what was wrongly done. It takes courage to admit that we are wrong which is completely different from being a traitor.
Chew on this a bit, maybe you will wise up but then again I have been proven that once someone thinks he is ABSOLUTLY right there is nothing you can do to bring them to reality. Good luck!
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Old 07-15-2006, 02:03 PM   #94 (permalink)
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Never metaphor I didn't like. I recognize that your ego is easily outraged and your capacity for irony is limited. I'll try not to subject you to that for which your are ill-equipped.


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Old 07-15-2006, 02:15 PM   #95 (permalink)
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I see that the brain washing campaign has worked on you or you are simply as clueless as a doorknob. Not even Sliver Arrow who is a native of that area has called for the destruction of Israel, as matter of fact he clearly stated his dismay at the abduction of the Israeli soldiers. This I hope should explain to you that not all people from that region even under duress think like you do, you know what I mean like in a binary format.
Anyway, I am not kissing some terrorist butt nor should we do that; however, we must recognize injustice and remedy what was wrongly done. It takes courage to admit that we are wrong which is completely different from being a traitor.
Chew on this a bit, maybe you will wise up but then again I have been proven that once someone thinks he is ABSOLUTLY right there is nothing you can do to bring them to reality. Good luck!
You are either FOR Hesbolah...or you are AGAINST Hesbolah which is a terrorist organization.

There is no middle ground.

Hesbolah committed the wrong. They have done this for decades...they have shelled Isreal....they have killed Isrealies. They started THIS round by kidnaping two Isrealies...which is an act of war. You want to talk injustice. YOU need to target the terrorists. Hesbolah.

WHat Right Does Syria have to be meddling in the affairs of Lebonan? Not one bit...what right does Iran have to be supplying weapons and money to a terrorist organization Hesbolah to use to attack Isreal and kill its people...NOT ONE DAMN BIT is the answer.

What right does Hesbolah have to exist? Not one damn bit.

You want to talk about civilized behaviour..start with eliminating those terrorists.....And how about getting out the Syrians who are still there (NO, they did not all leave)...and their puppets. And how about telling Iran to keep their money and weapons to themselves.


Like I said...play with fire and you are going to get burned.

You want to talk brainwashing....you need to take a long look in the mirror. Isreal is not responsible for starting this.

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Nothing Personal...I have people here from Beruit I consider close friends....and Hesbolah is responsible to starting this. They never dissarmed like they agreed to as a condition to Isreals pulling out. And this is not to diminish Syrias responmsibility in all of this as well as Iranian funding and weapons supplies to cause what is happening today.

Yeah people are going to get hurt...but people have been getting hurt in Isreal as well by that same bunch who refuse to recognise Ireals right to exist. Its a sad fact of war that innocent people are going to get hurt. But Hesbolah has been hiding in residential neighborhoods..so ultimately they have to burden ALL of the blame for this.
It's just that people living the Middle East conflict since the day they were born see things in a totally different perspective than people watching it on the news.


I agree with you that Hezbollah started the incident by capturing the 2 Israeli soldiers. But Hezbollah did that to exchange them with some 5 Lebanese prisoners in Israel. So in his mind, his action is justifiable. Don't get me wrong, I don't approve with that move. But look at Israel's reaction; setting an entire country in flames!!! This is also not justifiable. One has to be objective. I'm hearing air raids and gunship firing as I speak.

As a native of Lebanon, I can tell you that South Lebanon is not very populated and not very urban. Hezbollah's rockets are not fired from residential areas; they are fired from forests where they use camouflage. The Israelis came with that argument to justify later the killing of civilians. So again not everything Israel says is true. They are the master of propaganda.

Civilian causalities are happening on both sides, that's true but with a 1:30 ratio.

With this offensive, Hezbollah will never disarm because he will say: "Look at what Israel is doing, still posing a threat to Lebanon". So Israel did exactly what Hezbollah wanted: to show the Lebanese that Israel is endangering them, in order for them to keep their weapons.
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You are either FOR Hesbolah...or you are AGAINST Hesbolah which is a terrorist organization.

There is no middle ground.
It's not that easy.
A population of 1,000,000 supporters can in no way be all terrorists.
I'm against Hezbollah politically and morally, but this not the case for many Lebanese. If terrorism is the killing of innocent civilians, then Hezbollah is as much a terrorist as the Israeli Army.
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It's just that people living the Middle East conflict since the day they were born see things in a totally different perspective than people watching it on the news.


I agree with you that Hezbollah started the incident by capturing the 2 Israeli soldiers. But Hezbollah did that to exchange them with some 5 Lebanese prisoners in Israel. So in his mind, his action is justifiable. Don't get me wrong, I don't approve with that move. But look at Israel's reaction; setting an entire country in flames!!! This is also not justifiable. One has to be objective. I'm hearing air raids and gunship firing as I speak.

As a native of Lebanon, I can tell you that South Lebanon is not very populated and not very urban. Hezbollah's rockets are not fired from residential areas; they are fired from forests where they use camouflage. The Israelis came with that argument to justify later the killing of civilians. So again not everything Israel says is true. They are the master of propaganda.

Civilian causalities are happening on both sides, that's true but with a 1:30 ratio.

With this offensive, Hezbollah will never disarm because he will say: "Look at what Israel is doing, still posing a threat to Lebanon". So Israel did exactly what Hezbollah wanted: to show the Lebanese that Israel is endangering them, in order for them to keep their weapons.
Well, Disarming Hesbolah is key to ending this and stopping future problems. Unfortunately. Its an either/or situation. As long as Hesbolah is allowed to exist and cause the problems they are doing this is going to happen..again and again. You don't se Isreal shelling Egypt. WHy, well they aren't kidnapping its people, sending in brainwashed idiots with bombs strapped to their bodies to detinate in schools and markets.

Same deal here. If the Good people of Lebonan kick out Hesbolah once and for all then its problem solved. But if they allow them to exist and stay in Lebonan as a base to attack Isreal then you will have whats happening right now.

With that said I hope you and your family get through this unharmed.
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I see that the brain washing campaign has worked on you or you are simply as clueless as a doorknob.....
Typical example of perfissorial debate. Your students probably learn an awful lot, just so they agree with you. Otherwise you boost their fragile egos with your intellectual banter.


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Same deal here. If the Good people of Lebonan kick out Hesbolah once and for all then its problem solved. But if they allow them to exist and stay in Lebonan as a base to attack Isreal then you will have whats happening right now.

With that said I hope you and your family get through this unharmed.
Thanks a lot.
But again, Hezbollah can't be "kicked out". It's part of the Lebanese people (mostly Shiites) with Syrian and Iranian support. It has to be disarmed as part of an arrangment.
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