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A minute ago you said he has no power at all.
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Well, you've now gone from implying that the POTUS has nothing whatsoever to do with the situation to acknowledging some small insignificant role - it is a step in the right direction. Think "wheeling and dealing" and "behind the scenes" to make another leap toward the truth...

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It takes two thirds of the house and Senate to override a presidential veto. He is not merely one of the players, he is the most powerful player. Clinton and Reagan both used their veto powers to deal with run away spending. Bush has never, ever used a veto. He wants the Senate and House to act as bag men for the corporate bosses who put them all in power. It's the most corrupt money machine in human history.
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A minute ago you said he has no power at all.
It amazes me how these guys claim Clinton was just along for the budgetary ride, yet Reagan single-handedly ended the cold war.....

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It's the most corrupt money machine in human history.
Now, that's probably an over-statement. Let's just say "American history"...

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That's right. The president just has to take what the appropriations committee gives him.

Just like the war in Iraq. Poor Bushy didn't have anything to do with that either. It's that darned Secretary of Defense.

Yeah. That's the ticket...

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And Anti-Bush? You bet.
Pro-Democrat? Not especially.

You're quite tribalistic, aren't you?
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Man, reading both sides of this pitiful diatribe makes me wonder if the politics of this great nation won't be the end of it. No matter which direction you look from, the other side is demonized, plotting against the masses like some prime time TV drama. And, no matter how long and elegantly either side writes the latest salvo, it is peppered with immature name calling and an escalation of the same (and I bet one of them chimes in with "he started it . . . ")

A president, congress, etc., any entity of the federal government, has no power granted by the constitution to control the economy, period. If you want to make a positive change in the way this country is governed, go read that document, and make everyone in Washington (both sides) obey it.
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Man, reading both sides of this pitiful diatribe makes me wonder if the politics of this great nation won't be the end of it. No matter which direction you look from, the other side is demonized, plotting against the masses like some prime time TV drama. And, no matter how long and elegantly either side writes the latest salvo, it is peppered with immature name calling and an escalation of the same (and I bet one of them chimes in with "he started it . . . ")

A president, congress, etc., any entity of the federal government, has no power granted by the constitution to control the economy, period. If you want to make a positive change in the way this country is governed, go read that document, and make everyone in Washington (both sides) obey it.
Not to merely take issue with your plea, and recommendation, but, someone is always responsible. In this case there are those who argue it is the President. And there are those who argue the President does not have the power to be responsible, the authority to make decisions for the better or worse of the nation, is shared between the Congress and the President. When the President and the Congress are wholly run by one of the two political parties, it is too easy to blame something as impersonal as "political party A" or "B." At the moment, and especially at the moment for the political party in charge, the President is as close to royalty, or a dictator, as has existed in my lifetime. His party does not tolerate dissention, and he has established a very tight grip on the will of his Congress.

Only recently, as the mid term elections loom and the cumulative gaffs and poor leadership examples make reelection for those Congressional members in shakey districts risky, is any individualism being tolerated.

Those in power at the moment have made it clear, reading and heeding the Constitution is not a priority. Their highest priority is most often staying in power and then reaping what they perceive as rewards for those in power. Party loyalty above loyalty to America and defending the Constitution. Not unique to either party, just much more obviously abused when one Party is in control of the whole shebang. Jim
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Look, I'm not getting sucked into the party affiliation thing, as neither party makes an effort to follow the constitution (the dems are worse than the repubs, but not by much). Your last paragraph, though, underscores the need to return to the principles the nation was founded. If the powers of the federal government were limited to those granted by the constitution, there would be no party, no president, who could reap the rewards for their party or their loyalists, and there would be no significant "control" (ie - meddling, manipulation, etc.) of our economy. Methinks that's what the founding fathers had in mind to begin with . . .

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