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Bot, you will never understand that since you have a strong sense of right and wrong but nothing in between.
So do I...that's what being principled is all about. What's wrong with that? Why is a person who has convictions of belief such an easy target?

How can you expect anything to ever improve if you allow things to slide beneath the bar you set without any consequence?

There's nothing "right" or "noble" about tolerance and passivism - God knows it'd be easier to forego one's convictions and just agree with everything the verbal minority here has to say. Cast without the light of one's convictions, positions of tolerance simply look lazy. It's easy to yell about what you stand against...a little tougher to talk about those things you stand for.
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There's nothing "right" or "noble" about tolerance and passivism.
These are positive attributes.
Kim Jong Il is of the conviction that his country should have a nuclear weapons program and we are of the conviction that he shouldn't. Without concessions and understanding of each others needs and wants, the world would be "doomeder". (new word)

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These are positive attributes.
Kim Jong Il is of the conviction that his country should have a nuclear weapons program and we are of the conviction that he shouldn't. Without concessions and understanding of each others needs and wants, the world would be "doomeder". (new word)
I agree - one's ability to reach a compromise doesn't imply that they are without principles. It's because of an 'intolerance' toward North Korea's actions that pursuit of such a compromise becomes necessary...if we were lazy, we would act passively and demonstrate 'tolerance' toward whatever the North Korean's wanted to do with their weapons programs.

I think your position is that not nuking North Korea off the map right now equates to tolerance. My position is that a purposeful disinterest in their actions would equate to tolerance.

I think that we (America) are in fact rightly intolerant of North Korea - their posturing, their actions, their leadership, etc. What we are demonstrating is restraint - not passivity or tolerance - by not nuking North Korea off the map right now. One's "restraint" is finite and variable, one's "tolerance" is typically an absolute.

Patience is something that runs out when one's principles and values are challenged, "tolerance" is far too often a warm & fuzzy phrase designed to mask incompetence, ambivalence, and cowardice. My feeling is that leaders who cannot take a firm stand on an issue for better or worse are more dangerous than those who will take a stand (right or wrong, early or late).

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While the frog vs greaser saga continues, these two have decided to bury their hatchets (at least one of them is) - of course they have to as they play on the same team...
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