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BTW Saha was ineligible to play because of receiving yellow cards in two consecutive games (quarter and semifinal).
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I was completely underwhelmed by this final. Zidane's disgraceful act did not reflect how the French see themselves. A WM that ended with a whimper. BTW, Just an observation. Most teams looked representative of their Countries population, while the French National team looked more North African. Interesting, when you consider how France treats its N. African immigrants.
I kinda thought the same thing, but watching BBC America etc., one almost gets the impression that France is the 'melting pot' of Europe. Isn't it home of the fastest growing Islamic population in the world or something like that? It's not like they're all immigrants either...Thierry Henry (awn-ree) is hardly a Islamic name.
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Well, thank you professor.

Old/bad habits die hard, lol

Quitting smoking was easier, I must say.

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Well, thank you professor.

Old/bad habits die hard, lol

Quitting smoking was easier, I must say.
I understand! I hope you stay addicted I really like your angle on things.
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I kinda thought the same thing, but watching BBC America etc., one almost gets the impression that France is the 'melting pot' of Europe. Isn't it home of the fastest growing Islamic population in the world or something like that? It's not like they're all immigrants either...Thierry Henry (awn-ree) is hardly a Islamic name.
More sub-Saharan than North African. Most of present-day Western African nations (Cote d'Ivoire, Senegal to name a few) were French colonies.

I think Argentina was the only nation (I'm exaggerating, of course) that did not feature a black player - Aryan Germany, Poland, Sweden and even Japan(!) had a token black player.

Yes, the best matches of this WM was the Germany-Italy semifnal and Argentina - Mexico.

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I kinda thought the same thing, but watching BBC America etc., one almost gets the impression that France is the 'melting pot' of Europe. Isn't it home of the fastest growing Islamic population in the world or something like that? It's not like they're all immigrants either...Thierry Henry (awn-ree) is hardly a Islamic name.
I think only Zidane was from N. Africa (Algeria), the rest are sub Sahara but in a way you can say that France was an African team with a few French natives like Barteze, Ribery and some others.
Some are saying that the Italian player, Materazi called Zidane a terrorist. Oh well, if it's true then my only regret will be why did he not hit him in the face rather than the chest.
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I think only Zidane was from N. Africa (Algeria), the rest are sub Sahara but in a way you can say that France was an African team with a few French natives like Barteze, Ribery and some others.
Some are saying that the Italian player, Materazi called Zidane a terrorist. Oh well, if it's true then my only regret will be why did he not hit him in the face rather than the chest.
Like some wag said: Terrorists use violence instead of talk. Dude calls him a terrorist, what does he do? Violence.
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Like some wag said: Terrorists use violence instead of talk. Dude calls him a terrorist, what does he do? Violence.
Easy for you to say that. Zidane Had suffered from racisim just like many of North African descent in France. I am willing to bet you that he snapped knowing this was his last chance to get back in a memorable way even if it meant tarnishing his career. His pride took the best of him but in his mind this was probably the way to show that "he don't take shit". After all he knows once the games are over for him there is only his community to go back to and he knows that deep down they understand that what he did was "for them" even as twisted as it seems Bot, you will never understand that since you have a strong sense of right and wrong but nothing in between.
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Bot, you will never understand that since you have a strong sense of right and wrong but nothing in between.
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Easy for you to say that. Zidane Had suffered from racisim just like many of North African descent in France. I am willing to bet you that he snapped knowing this was his last chance to get back in a memorable way even if it meant tarnishing his career. His pride took the best of him but in his mind this was probably the way to show that "he don't take shit". After all he knows once the games are over for him there is only his community to go back to and he knows that deep down they understand that what he did was "for them" even as twisted as it seems Bot, you will never understand that since you have a strong sense of right and wrong but nothing in between.
Ease off, perfessir. I don't know what happened, do you?

Whatever the provocation, Butthead likely caused his team to lose the event. That is lack of self-discipline. Is it personally understandable? If his accusation stands, I guess so. But he forgot the central issue of team sports: It is not about him, it is about the team.

It happens all the time in sports. In American football opposing sides talk trash trying to get the opposing side to lose focus and over-react. When it happens we all look at it and say, "WTF did he do that for?" It maybe personally understandable why the player reacted as he did, but the ref doesn't care. "Pffffweeeeet!!! Personal foul."

Do teams win without discipline? Rarely.

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