A rare victory against Bush-Cheney Friendly Fascism - Mercedes-Benz Forum

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 85 (permalink) Old 06-30-2006, 10:17 AM Thread Starter
BenzWorld Elite
 
FeelTheLove's Avatar
 
Date registered: Sep 2004
Vehicle: 83 Astral Silver 280 SL
Location: Planet Houston
Posts: 28,829
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
(Thread Starter)
A rare victory against Bush-Cheney Friendly Fascism

The dreaded "MSM" continues its onslaught:


Editorial
A Victory for the Rule of Law

The New York Times

Published: June 30, 2006
The Supreme Court's decision striking down the military tribunals set up to try the detainees being held in Guantánamo Bay is far more than a narrow ruling on the issue of military courts. It is an important and welcome reaffirmation that even in times of war, the law is what the Constitution, the statute books and the Geneva Conventions say it is — not what the president wants it to be.

Salim Ahmed Hamdan, a Yemeni being held in Guantánamo, has been charged with conspiring to help Al Qaeda. The Bush administration has contended that he and the other prisoners there are not covered either by Congressional laws governing military trials or by the Geneva Conventions on treatment of prisoners of war. Instead, Mr. Hamdan was put on trial before a military tribunal where defendants can be excluded from the proceedings and convicted based on evidence kept secret from them and their lawyers. Prosecutors can also rely on hearsay, coerced testimony and unsworn statements.

The Supreme Court held that these rules violate the standards Congress set in the Uniform Code of Military Justice, which requires tribunals to offer the same protections, whenever practicable, as other military trials. It also ruled that the tribunals fall short of the kind of trial required by the Geneva Conventions. It rejected the administration's claim that these venerable international standards cannot be invoked in an American court.

The Bush administration could go to Congress and ask for a special law that allowed it to create a unique system of justice for Guantánamo detainees. That is an argument for another day. The message of this ruling is that the executive branch cannot continue in its remarkable insistence that because there is a war on terror, it no longer needs to follow established procedures that would subject it to scrutiny by another branch of government. The justices rejected the administration's constant refrain — made in everything from its "enemy combatant" policies to its defense of the National Security Agency's domestic spying — that the authority Congress granted the president to use force after Sept. 11, the exigencies of wartime, or simply the inherent powers of the presidency allow President Bush to trample on existing laws as he sees fit.

The key to the decision was the court's swing justice, Anthony Kennedy. He provided the fifth vote for the majority, and wrote a separate opinion that eloquently distilled the key principles: that "respect for laws" duly passed by Congress and signed into law by the president is particularly necessary in times of crisis, and that "the Constitution is best preserved by reliance on standards tested over time and insulated from the pressures of the moment."

This is the latest in a series of rebukes to the Bush administration. The court has already rejected its claim that the Guantánamo detainees have no right to be heard in American courts, and that an American citizen designated an enemy combatant can be held indefinitely without being brought before a judge.

The current conservative court is not hostile to law enforcement or presidential power. But it is proving to be admirably protective of individual freedom and the rule of law. Rather than continue having his policies struck down, President Bush should find a way to prosecute the war on terror within the bounds of the law.
FeelTheLove is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 85 (permalink) Old 06-30-2006, 10:22 AM
Administratoris Emeritus
 
GeeS's Avatar
 
Date registered: Aug 2002
Vehicle: 2021 SL770
Location: Fountain Hills, AZ
Posts: 44,915
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Quoted: 591 Post(s)
“Stop throwing the Constitution in my face. It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”

What an asshole.....

"If spending money you don't have is the height of stupidity, borrowing money to give it away is the height of insanity." -- anon
GeeS is offline  
post #3 of 85 (permalink) Old 06-30-2006, 10:23 AM
~BANNED~
 
deathrattle's Avatar
 
Date registered: Jan 2005
Vehicle: 1992 W126 300 SE
Location: Head in the clouds
Posts: 11,045
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Encouraging.
deathrattle is offline  
post #4 of 85 (permalink) Old 06-30-2006, 11:32 AM
BenzWorld Elite
 
mzsmbs's Avatar
 
Date registered: Sep 2004
Vehicle: 1972 Mercedes 250 (/8) W114/M130
Location: on a high bank of a creek
Posts: 7,296
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
hope this hleps build momentum against these goons in the WH and the hill. we need another boston party.



in political asylum
mzsmbs is offline  
post #5 of 85 (permalink) Old 06-30-2006, 11:37 AM
BenzWorld Elite
 
Date registered: Sep 2004
Vehicle: 95 E300
Location: Inside my head
Posts: 36,850
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 392 Post(s)
I don't know why we can't just win the wonderful freedom fighters of peaceful Islam over to our side by group hugs and sharing some green tea. Those ol' meanies in government just want to be macho and cause trouble. I'm sure that those Muslims are just liek George Washington and are nice to their children. Lets release them all and apologize so they'll know we're really nice people.

Why can't we all just get along?

Khumbaya!

Signed,

Howard Dean
Botnst is offline  
post #6 of 85 (permalink) Old 06-30-2006, 01:13 PM
BenzWorld Elite
 
old300D's Avatar
 
Date registered: Jul 2003
Vehicle: '83 240D
Location: Denver
Posts: 3,774
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Botnst
I don't know why we can't just win the wonderful freedom fighters of peaceful Islam over to our side by group hugs and sharing some green tea. Those ol' meanies in government just want to be macho and cause trouble. I'm sure that those Muslims are just liek George Washington and are nice to their children. Lets release them all and apologize so they'll know we're really nice people.

Why can't we all just get along?

Khumbaya!

Signed,

Howard Dean
I was wondering how you would respond to this. It just confirms to me you are the Bush fan you claim you are not. Completely un-self aware, but a Bush fan never-the-less.

The SC ruling now completely exposes the lack of legal underpinning the category of "enemy combatent" has. Bunch of nincompoops when it comes to policy. I can't wait to see the political fallout of this one, when the administration tries to ram some form of legal tribunal through the Congress.

OBK #35

old300D is offline  
post #7 of 85 (permalink) Old 06-30-2006, 02:10 PM
DP
Moderator
 
DP's Avatar
 
Date registered: Aug 2002
Vehicle: 190E, 400E, SLK350
Location: Chesapeak Bay
Posts: 64,125
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Quoted: 991 Post(s)
Lifetime Premium Member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Botnst
I don't know why we can't just win the wonderful freedom fighters of peaceful Islam over to our side by group hugs and sharing some green tea. Those ol' meanies in government just want to be macho and cause trouble. I'm sure that those Muslims are just liek George Washington and are nice to their children. Lets release them all and apologize so they'll know we're really nice people.

Why can't we all just get along?

Khumbaya!

Signed,

Howard Dean
Certainly maybe you prefer this way:
from BBC "An unnamed official told AP news agency one of the four victims, a woman, was raped before being killed, and that five soldiers were under investigation." rest of the article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/5134106.stm
I am sorry Bot but your sarcasm is wearing thin and frankly you seem to drift more and more into defending or supporting arguments that hold no water. There is time for force and there is time for peacful approaches, right now we as a nation are confused because of the spin put into every action we take. We have much to do to gain real credibility as we stand. Bot I suggest you step down from the horse and walk in the manure so you can get a sense of reality a bit.
cheers
Drew
DP is offline  
post #8 of 85 (permalink) Old 06-30-2006, 02:16 PM
guage
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Mentioned: Post(s)
Quoted: Post(s)
I prefer the rights that Al Qaeda has given all of their kidnapped detainees.
The right to be blindfolded and then to slowly have one's head cut off.
All the while you are being video taped.
If you find a good Arabic translator he can possibly verify that what is being screamed while they slowly cut off the heads is......
You fascist Nazi...,, Bush is here for Oil, he is a child murder..
You know basically verbatim per KV, enemy of the State
post #9 of 85 (permalink) Old 06-30-2006, 02:21 PM
BenzWorld Elite
 
old300D's Avatar
 
Date registered: Jul 2003
Vehicle: '83 240D
Location: Denver
Posts: 3,774
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by guage
I prefer the rights that Al Qaeda has given all of their kidnapped detainees.
The right to be blindfolded and then to slowly have one's head cut off.
All the while you are being video taped.
If you find a good Arabic translator he can possibly verify that what is being screamed while they slowly cut off the heads is......
You fascist Nazi...,, Bush is here for Oil, he is a child murder..
You know basically verbatim per KV, enemy of the State
By all means, then join. I, for one, am proud we are still trying to preserve our law-based Constitution, despite the best efforts of our criminal executive.

OBK #35

old300D is offline  
post #10 of 85 (permalink) Old 06-30-2006, 02:38 PM
guage
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Mentioned: Post(s)
Quoted: Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by old300D
By all means, then join. I, for one, am proud we are still trying to preserve our law-based Constitution, despite the best efforts of our criminal executive.
Would you like to provide the laws/charges that they have been charged with breaking?

Just one would do!
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

  Mercedes-Benz Forum > General Mercedes-Benz Forums > Off-Topic

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Mercedes-Benz Forum forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











  • Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
     
    Thread Tools
    Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
    Email this Page Email this Page
    Display Modes
    Linear Mode Linear Mode



    Posting Rules  
    You may post new threads
    You may post replies
    You may not post attachments
    You may not edit your posts

    BB code is On
    Smilies are On
    [IMG] code is On
    HTML code is Off
    Trackbacks are On
    Pingbacks are On
    Refbacks are On

     

    Title goes here

    close
    video goes here
    description goes here. Read Full Story
    For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome