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Kirk, would you mind copying and pasting the last paragraph at that link?
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You obviously don't understand the nature of warfare, guerrilla warfare, or warriors. Go back to DU.
The last four years in Iraq have certainly proved what an expert your guys are on the subject.
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That was the promise of PEMEX. They have had since 1938 to create the paradise you describe. Last time I checked, the only people begging to get in to Mexico were the ones passing through on their way to the US.
You forget Canada. You should come to New England and see the buses loading up the elderly to get their socialist Canadian dope.

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If you have something to say, say it, because I have no idea what it is you want. If you think there is something in there that support his argument, post it, and I'll destroy your ass too. It's all total bullshit. Make my night.

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Your a total dipshit, man - even read the crap you post refutes your own argument:...

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Sporadic Werewolf attacks would be made on Allied forces and German 'collaberators' for months to come- notably the murder of three American civillians in Passau, 1946- but with little tangible success. Before long, even these died out, as the last remaining Werewolf partisans surrendered, were captured, or killed.
and you're hanging this whole thing on 3 dead?.. oh that's a real insurgency.. hahahaha.. DBP is being very nice by not driving a tank through that one bot.. lol... i needed a laugh.. hahaha thanks.



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Not only that, if you google that assertion, its thin as gruel as well. The guy is sourcing this from some moronic website to begin with, and that particular article seems to be one of the few places it is even found. When you search it out, you find that same article plastered over rightwing sites. If you look at anything journalistic or scholarly on the subject, this incident isn't even mentioned - I found it mentioned in one spot, which disputed whether it even had anything to do with the so-called "Werwolves", and was actually a personnel grudge of some sort. The only verifiable incident ever tied to these guys was the assasination of the mayor of some town, which happened right at the very end of the war. In East Germany, the entire file system of the East German Secret Police and massive amounts of Soviet archives have become public, and there is no mention of these fellows here either, probably because all the people held in concentration camps and prisons could easily identify these guys, and because any SS man who could had fled to American lines because the Soviets and the Poles simply hung them on the spot. It's pretty difficult to melt into the local populace when you've spent your career as part of an organization whose main purpose was murdering 10 million people.

So what do we have in the end? This is typical rightwing misinformation. It is a lie given credence because Rice and Rumsfeld utter it. It's purpose is to cause people to conclude that this Iraq situation is typical, and something we handled before. It was all part of an earlier strategy to cast the insurgents as "dead enders", who will suffer the same fate as the SS. Morons, which is who this stuff is aimed at, ate it up. Anyone with even a passing familiarity with 20th Century history knew it was bullshit. Ask yourself, why is a Stanford Phd like Rice passing this story out? Why? Because the neo-cons lie all the time, and her and her ilk like Rumsfeld understand Soviet-style misinformation techniques, which is what they have been using on the American people since they gained office. This is just another example of hundreds of these type of lies.

The poster's other assertion of little pro-Soviet Russia lovers running around the place is simply absurd. After the Stalin-Hitler pact of 1937, support of Stalinistic communism in the American intelligentsia evaporated. While there were plenty of college professors who described themselves as "Marxist", the idea that they were running some kind of organized pro-Soviet campaign in the US during the Cold War is simply preposterous. J. Edgar Hoover would have hung them up by the balls one way or another Ignorance is strength, baby.

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PEMEX, first off, is corrupt. It's Mexico, remember. Still, it constitutes 1/3 of the government's revenue. I'm sure TONS of money gets lost on its way from the company office to the government coffers. Still more intentionally gets lost in the bureaucracies of the government. This is Mexico we’re talking about. Though, Fox is now proposing to make shares in the company available to the Mexican citizens. That’s what I’m talking about, but without the sale. Public ownership of the one main industry, not just a corrupt branch of a corrupt government. Might be idealistic, but it would be nice.

And what’s wrong with being a little condescending every now and then? You call it condescension, I call it irony.

I haven't been condescending to you have I? Sorry, I'll remember to pat you on the head more. Now, THAT was condescending. (Just having fun, man. We're not setting global policy here.)

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The best example is Alaska.
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If you have something to say, say it, because I have no idea what it is you want. If you think there is something in there that support his argument, post it, and I'll destroy your ass too. It's all total bullshit. Make my night.
As I said earlier, facts will not persuade you.

You asked for "proof" that there was, in fact, a resistance movement against US occupation after WWII was "over". I posted the first link referencing that fact.

Ignorance of history leads to the idea that the situation in Iraq is somehow unprecedented. No doubt, you will continue that faithful belief.

Nothing you have said refutes the fact that Nazi loyalists...much like Baathists in Iraq...continued to fight after "major ground offenses' ended.

As far as the FACT that the left in this country openly embraced the USSR...you have said even less. Ever hear of Phil Donohue? Vladamir Posner? The "sky-bridge"?

The left in the US was a tool of Pravda, much as you undoubtably find more "truth" from Al JaZeera than Fox News.
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