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So, do we know what the plant is yet???

It looks like some kind of fig to me - but what would I know!

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It's probably a camellia japonica. Rosacae have dull leaves, while those in the Camellia/Gardenia family have glossy leaves as shown in his photo. Camellia also flower in the very early spring. Rosacae flower mid to late spring. Note the match to the saw tooth leaves shown in TK's photo to the leaves below.



Do the flowers look like this? Google Camellia images, see if you can find the flower.


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So, do we know what the plant is yet???

It looks like some kind of fig to me - but what would I know!
I doubt if it is in the fig family, or it is any kind of tropical plant as suggested by other posters. They would not survive the Chicago winter. It will have to be a winter - hardy plant, probably a japonica (originating in the Japanese islands) of some sort. Rhodedendron, gardenia, camillia, something like that. Does the plant have thorns?

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True, they are quite meaty.
I've never heard of a member of the Rosaceae with poisonous fruit. Some may taste foul.

Crabapples are perfectly edible and are anatomically identical to an apple. They just have less of the fruity part (mesocarp) in proportion to the seeds and core.

Most fruits from members of the family are tastely fermentable, too.

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It's probably a camellia japonica. Rosacae have dull leaves, while those in the Camellia/Gardenia family have glossy leaves as shown in his photo. Camellia also flower in the very early spring. Rosacae flower mid to late spring. Note the match to the saw tooth leaves shown in TK's photo to the leaves below.



Do the flowers look like this? Google Camellia images, see if you can find the flower.

At first I thought it might be a camellia because it appears evergreen and the seeds are so large in proportion to the fruit. But there is also a pretty thick mesocarp in the pictures, unlike a camellia. If you look closely at the fruit picture in longitudinal section you'll notice that the flower's ovary is under the stamens and other flower parts (the dried-up fuzy stuff on one end). Just like with rose hips and apples. Camellias don't do that.
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So, do we know what the plant is yet???

It looks like some kind of fig to me - but what would I know!
Fig is an interesting guess. There are a huge number of species. However, a fig fruit is anatomically a large collection of tiny flowers in which the basal portion of the fruit grows out and surrounds the tiny flowers. That's why figs have that fuzzy, pinkish core. Those are the flowers. Tropical figs have a tiny opening into which an even tinier wasp will lay eggs whose grubs fertilize the flowers while developing.
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I've never heard of a member of the Rosaceae with poisonous fruit. Some may taste foul.

Crabapples are perfectly edible and are anatomically identical to an apple. They just have less of the fruity part (mesocarp) in proportion to the seeds and core.

Most fruits from members of the family are tastely fermentable, too.
Yeah, Ocean Spray took a swing at 'em, but Crapple didn't go over too well for some reason...

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It's probably a camellia japonica. Rosacae have dull leaves, while those in the Camellia/Gardenia family have glossy leaves as shown in his photo. Camellia also flower in the very early spring. Rosacae flower mid to late spring. Note the match to the saw tooth leaves shown in TK's photo to the leaves below.



Do the flowers look like this? Google Camellia images, see if you can find the flower.

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