Originally Posted by Jillian80
I don't think that's what GS was saying at all, Bot. I think he was saying how crazy it is to attack Iraq under the pretense of stopping terrorism when Iraq wasn't a hotbed of terrorist activity. I think you would be hard pressed to find many who would disagree with attacking Afghanistan. The ringleader (OBL) of the 9/11 attack was in Afghanistan. The terrorist training camps were there. How many training camps were in Iraq before we attacked? How many are in Iraq now, I wonder?
I know you've said terrorism or WMD weren't reasons you were behind the invasion of Iraq. I think your reasoning had more to do with gaining a foothold in the ME (or something along those lines--I can't really remember now), but that's not what the American public was told. We were told that invading Iraq made sense because we would fight the terrorists there and not here. GS makes the point that the terrorists behind 9/11 were here, not Iraq. They were in Florida, in flight schools. No one said anything about attacking Florida, though--you're really reaching with that one.
I took GS' words and their meaning and extrapolated one possible interpretation. You provide another. I suspect that GS has his own interpretation.
You misunderstood everything I said concerning my support of invading, decapitating, and reforming Iraq. For me, it is strictly about oil. Having an expansionist, murderous dictator follow-through on his oft-stated plan to control 3/4 of the planetary oil supply was not my favorite foreign policy direction. You see, industrial agriculture and transportation are directly dependent on oil. We simply cannot feed 6 billion people on this planet without industrial agriculture and without modern transportation. We can feed about 3 billion on pre-industrial agriculture and transportation. That leaves about 3 billion people to starve to death.
Saddam had demonstrated that he didn't give a shit for human life but he dearly loved having control over it. By controlling 3/4 of the oil supply, he would have controlled the lives of all inhabitants of the terrestrial ball. For he who can destroy a thing, controls that thing.
Concerning elected officials, I don't much give a damn what they say but I do care about what they do. In this instance I agreed with the tactical goal for my own strategic ends.
It's like getting on a bus. I don't really give a damn what the bus driver tells me about his motivations for getting somewhere. I see where the bus is going and get on it if it is going where I want to go.