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You're missing the point, that being that DC isn't currently producing cars of the same caliber as a w126 or an r107. Instead, they are chasing their tails trying to copy the copiers.

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will the lexus be worth more 25 years from know . you see alot more 25 year old mb than you see toyotas . you cant compair lexus because they did not make them 25 years ago. lexus will be in junk yard way before any mb thats the bottom line
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If you think that Mercedes is currently producing a model -- any model -- that's capable of going toe to toe with your 300D in terms of day-in, day-out reliability and longevity, you're fooling yourself.

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the new diesel e class i wood imagine is reliable iam not that sure they dont sell them in cali. My bosses brother has and ml with 180 thousand and has had very little problems with it. i see more hondas and toyotas broke down than any thing else so if i went by that figuar i would think mb chysler gm ford ect are more reliable. i drive over 200 miles per day this is just what i see .
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I hate Lexus....I mean I really hate them. No matter how you dress it up and try to copy the mercedes body (yes I am referring to the w126 copy)-it is still a toyota. Now if you drive a toyota, fine. I sure it is reliable and nice and all that, but don't try to pass it off as a luxury vehicle. In 20 or 30 years, those lexus will be rusted out garbage heaps and the mercedes of the same year will be a vintage. What is the plural form anyway? Lexus', lexuses, lexi...............who care?

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Funny attitude for someone that sells MB parts...

Any individual car of any make may have it's own particular eccentricities i.e. - a noisy seat spring, a squeeky electric window etc... These little, fixable, minor annoyances do not define a make, as all makes have these little problems. Rolls Royce, Ferrari and yes even Lexus and Infiniti.
Yup. I invite you guys to come hang out in my other forum http://www.g35driver.com and learn all about the frustrations of reliability issues, rattles, seat belts, and on and on. Now, Infiniti is known supposedly for their built quality.

So in ten years, how many of these Infiniti would you see on the road? Remember the I30 (jelly bean on wheels) and G20 of the by gone eras?

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You are also missing the point. Infiniti and Lexus haven't taken the world by storm with 'build quality'. Mercedes has lowered build quality to the standards set primarily by Lexus. They have done this intentionally in order to compete.

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From Forbes.com:

Carmakers are never satisfied with their current positions in the marketplace.

For example, next year BMW will likely bring its smallest car, the 1 Series, to the U.S. And DaimlerChrysler's Mercedes-Benz likewise will bring its smallest models here, too--although the carmaker seems in a perpetual state of indecision about which models to bring and when.

But we're not at all indecisive about small, inexpensive BMWs and Benzes. We think it's a silly idea.

Why, for heaven's sake, should the hallmarks of aspirational brands--right up there with Rolex--stoop to Timex status and compete to see who has the cheapest toys? In this country, Mercedes and BMW are icons. Their badges alone mean you've "made it," so there's little point in making these badges more widely available.

In simplest terms, people "graduate" to Mercedes and BMW status. Aspirational brands have status because they aren't easily obtained. They lose this allure when they go on sale at the outlet mall. How exclusive is a Ralph Lauren suit when you can buy it at Marshalls?

Preserving status should be the No. 1 mission for luxury brands."

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You are also missing the point. Infiniti and Lexus haven't taken the world by storm with 'build quality'. Mercedes has lowered build quality to the standards set primarily by Lexus. They have done this intentionally in order to compete.
True. BUT, they had to do it in order to compete with the Japanese companies. If they didn't lower their quality, what would happen to MB today.

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From Forbes.com:

Carmakers are never satisfied with their current positions in the marketplace.

For example, next year BMW will likely bring its smallest car, the 1 Series, to the U.S. And DaimlerChrysler's Mercedes-Benz likewise will bring its smallest models here, too--although the carmaker seems in a perpetual state of indecision about which models to bring and when.

But we're not at all indecisive about small, inexpensive BMWs and Benzes. We think it's a silly idea.

Why, for heaven's sake, should the hallmarks of aspirational brands--right up there with Rolex--stoop to Timex status and compete to see who has the cheapest toys? In this country, Mercedes and BMW are icons. Their badges alone mean you've "made it," so there's little point in making these badges more widely available.

In simplest terms, people "graduate" to Mercedes and BMW status. Aspirational brands have status because they aren't easily obtained. They lose this allure when they go on sale at the outlet mall. How exclusive is a Ralph Lauren suit when you can buy it at Marshalls?

Preserving status should be the No. 1 mission for luxury brands."
I agree wholeheartedly with this. MB is just lowering itself by having the "lower" cheaper models. They're basically becoming Lexus themselves by having cheaper models.

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