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Iran was little more than a nuisance until we invaded their next door neighbor and displayed our general ineptitude for all to see. Now, no one loves us and no one fears us. Way to go GW!

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Not that it's necessarily the right move, but I'd feel a lot better about going after Iran that I did when we went after Iraq.

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It's what we should have done in the first place. The George Washington of all radical Islamic fundamentalism, whether Sunni or Shiite was Khomeni, it is an idealogy called Pan-Islamism, and it seeks to unite all Muslims into a single nation, both Sunni and Shiite. Bin Laden and the Iranians are really just competing leadership factions for this extremely dangerous movement, which wishes to put all humanity under a system of religious fascism. The idea that Saddam and Al Queda were in cahoots, has always been utterly preposterous balderdash bullshit, while the idea he is in cahoots with Iran is utterly reasonable. Bush and Company attacked the Pan-Islamists' enemies in the Muslim world - the Pan-Arabist faction, the faction led by Saddam, whose idealogy was the formation of a secular Arab socialist state. This faction was very troublesome for oil companies, and if you don't believe me and want to see exactly why this is so, then just watch what is going on with the new Latin American socialist governments in Venzuela and Boliva, and soon to be Peru - they are nationalizing oil company assets and placing big taxes on oil company profits. Bush butt fucked the American people by hijacking the 9-11 tragedy, perpertrated on us by the Pan-Islamic faction, so he could pursue a war against the enemies of the oil companies, the Pan-Arabist socialists, who are simply not the enemies of the American people and never have been. It was not an "intelligence failure", it was a calculated, pre-mediated act of treason, by a crawling bunch of worms who wrote off 3,000 American dead and Bin laden's capture so they could pursue a course for their oil company masters, for Saudi Arabian oil fascists and American greed mongers who could careless about this country and simply wanted Saddam out of the way - so they manufactured a bullshit case against him, and using the emotionalism of the 9-11 tragedy fooled 53% of you to buy this horseshit.

And now what are we left with? A basketcase Iraq, and the same enemies we had on 9-11, who have done nothing but grow stronger while we have let Bush and Company bullshit us into this crap. Bush violated his oath to perserve and protect the United States, by prosecuting half a war in Afganistan and leaving Iran alone. Stop and think what the world would be like if we had let Saddam alone: we would have access to Iraqi oil, which we could have used to get thru the loss of Iranian oil, the number two supplier of oil in the world, while we utterly and catastrophrically destroyed Iran and Afghanistan on a scale with how we dealt with Japan. Now we will have neither Iraqi or Iranin oil. We will be unable to wage war against Iran because of this, and they know it. Bush has left us totally screwed. We all sit here and talk about Iran like it would be some re-run of Iraq - how stupid! It would require a WWIII effort, an effort we should have embarked upon on 9-12. We should have used a nuclear weapon on Tora Bora on 9-12, and told the Iranians they were next. This country should have totally mobilized for Total War, and instead we got war-on-the-cheap by a bunch of ulterior motive criminal motherfuckers who cheated their way into to office in the first place, a minority-vote government who got the big break they were looking for to destroy American democracy and replace it with a new corporate state. And 53% of you, you toads, helped them. This nation has been subjected to treason at the highest levels, accomplished by bullshitting a bunch of stupid yellow-ribbon bedecked morons who simply would not listen to reason as they were easily manipulated by utter propaganda, and now this country is threatened by Al Queda having access to nuclear weapons, and a suicidal fanatic who controls half the world's oil supplies having a nuke on the doorstep of Europe. What a brillant fucking plan. What a bunch of geniuses. And now your pride continues to blind you to these realities, unable to admit you were wrong in supporting this president in what is now obviously exposed to all as a fraud.

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This is all pointless really. The Israelis will do it... They don't have the luxury of waiting to see how this all turns out. They've got better than 200 nukes on top of Jericho I and II missiles, and they will not tolerate anyone else in the neighborhood with the same capability.

Regardless of what you think about it, remember, Israel is only 8 miles wide in someplaces. They can't afford to lose even 1 battle, let alone the war.

They live and breath by the motto "Never Again"...
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Oh no, not that again!
It's not nuts to ask where the last 3 minutes of the flight recording is. Remember, the tape we have stops 3 minutes before the seismograph says the plane hit. The debris field is stretched out for 8 miles. A passenger's rib was found at the lake, some 4-5(?) miles from the impact crater. Lots of problems. I happen to agree with :

http://www.flight93crash.com/
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http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/kovach/050914

Why not debate the facts rather than throw around insults?

But better yet, let's stay on topic. If you want to get into that discussion again, repost on that thread.
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This is all pointless really. The Israelis will do it... They don't have the luxury of waiting to see how this all turns out. They've got better than 200 nukes on top of Jericho I and II missiles, and they will not tolerate anyone else in the neighborhood with the same capability.

Regardless of what you think about it, remember, Israel is only 8 miles wide in someplaces. They can't afford to lose even 1 battle, let alone the war.

They live and breath by the motto "Never Again"...
You guys just don't get the calculus, do you? If the Israelis do it, it will destroy the economy of the United States. We will lose our second biggest supplier of oil. The Iranian militias in Iraq will turn on the oil supplies in Saudi Arabia and Iraq. The Venzuelans will see a chance to hurt us, and join in. The Russians, who will be left as the world's largest possers of a functioning oil supply, will smack their lips at 200$ a barrel oil. The Chinese will call in their one trillion dollars of US debt as they see us as a major credit risk. An Israeli attack will have disastourous effects on the US, and on all Muslim governents friendly to the US. We had one chance to do this - in the days after 9-11, when the world would have seen it as self-defense if we had whacked the Iranians then. We have simply been outplayed in the global game of chess because we had a president who was playing for the oil companies instead of us. We lost. The worst possible outcome is about to become a possibility - we will be unable to do anything to the Iranians, and the end result will be a nuclear attack on the United States by suicidal religous fanatics. Either way, we are fucked.

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This is all pointless really. The Israelis will do it... They don't have the luxury of waiting to see how this all turns out. They've got better than 200 nukes on top of Jericho I and II missiles, and they will not tolerate anyone else in the neighborhood with the same capability.

Regardless of what you think about it, remember, Israel is only 8 miles wide in someplaces. They can't afford to lose even 1 battle, let alone the war.

They live and breath by the motto "Never Again"...
BS if it is pointless. This entire focking monkey business is all about oil. To think for a minute this is about politics is total bull sh!t.

Yes, the Israelis will be involved, no doubt. We lost the opportunity to grab both Iraq and Iran oil supplies like KV said. What the focking good it does for us if Iran is turned into a sheet of glass? Should have left Iraq alone and take out Iran while we had the chance. Let the Israelis handles Iraq and the rest of the ME.

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The Israelis are only for the Israelis in the end run. They care about what we think - sometimes - However, when their national interests are at stake (like any country), they act with impunity. Case in point - the USS LIberty, the Israelis were concerned that the Intell ship was listening in on their plans for the 1967 surprise strikes against the Arabs.

They knew it was a U.S. Ship - they attacked it anyway and killed many Americans in the process. The Israelis will deal with the Iranians, and they will keep their true motives to themselves - U.S. and World bedammed...

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It's what we should have done in the first place. The George Washington of all radical Islamic fundamentalism, whether Sunni or Shiite was Khomeni, it is an idealogy called Pan-Islamism, and it seeks to unite all Muslims into a single nation, both Sunni and Shiite. Bin Laden and the Iranians are really just competing leadership factions for this extremely dangerous movement, which wishes to put all humanity under a system of religious fascism. The idea that Saddam and Al Queda were in cahoots, has always been utterly preposterous balderdash bullshit, while the idea he is in cahoots with Iran is utterly reasonable. Bush and Company attacked the Pan-Islamists' enemies in the Muslim world - the Pan-Arabist faction, the faction led by Saddam, whose idealogy was the formation of a secular Arab socialist state. This faction was very troublesome for oil companies, and if you don't believe me and want to see exactly why this is so, then just watch what is going on with the new Latin American socialist governments in Venzuela and Boliva, and soon to be Peru - they are nationalizing oil company assets and placing big taxes on oil company profits. Bush butt fucked the American people by hijacking the 9-11 tragedy, perpertrated on us by the Pan-Islamic faction, so he could pursue a war against the enemies of the oil companies, the Pan-Arabist socialists, who are simply not the enemies of the American people and never have been. It was not an "intelligence failure", it was a calculated, pre-mediated act of treason, by a crawling bunch of worms who wrote off 3,000 American dead and Bin laden's capture so they could pursue a course for their oil company masters, for Saudi Arabian oil fascists and American greed mongers who could careless about this country and simply wanted Saddam out of the way - so they manufactured a bullshit case against him, and using the emotionalism of the 9-11 tragedy fooled 53% of you to buy this horseshit.

And now what are we left with? A basketcase Iraq, and the same enemies we had on 9-11, who have done nothing but grow stronger while we have let Bush and Company bullshit us into this crap. Bush violated his oath to perserve and protect the United States, by prosecuting half a war in Afganistan and leaving Iran alone. Stop and think what the world would be like if we had let Saddam alone: we would have access to Iraqi oil, which we could have used to get thru the loss of Iranian oil, the number two supplier of oil in the world, while we utterly and catastrophrically destroyed Iran and Afghanistan on a scale with how we dealt with Japan. Now we will have neither Iraqi or Iranin oil. We will be unable to wage war against Iran because of this, and they know it. Bush has left us totally screwed. We all sit here and talk about Iran like it would be some re-run of Iraq - how stupid! It would require a WWIII effort, an effort we should have embarked upon on 9-12. We should have used a nuclear weapon on Tora Bora on 9-12, and told the Iranians they were next. This country should have totally mobilized for Total War, and instead we got war-on-the-cheap by a bunch of ulterior motive criminal motherfuckers who cheated their way into to office in the first place, a minority-vote government who got the big break they were looking for to destroy American democracy and replace it with a new corporate state. And 53% of you, you toads, helped them. This nation has been subjected to treason at the highest levels, accomplished by bullshitting a bunch of stupid yellow-ribbon bedecked morons who simply would not listen to reason as they were easily manipulated by utter propaganda, and now this country is threatened by Al Queda having access to nuclear weapons, and a suicidal fanatic who controls half the world's oil supplies having a nuke on the doorstep of Europe. What a brillant fucking plan. What a bunch of geniuses. And now your pride continues to blind you to these realities, unable to admit you were wrong in supporting this president in what is now obviously exposed to all as a fraud.
I'd agree with you, but you called me a fucking asshole when I posted about MBZER being a lunatic, so I am forced to disagree with you now in spite of my beliefs.

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Hey man, I just don't like the homophobic bullshit. I keeps gay people from posting here, and I'd like to hear their opinion too.
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Hey man, I just don't like the homophobic bullshit. I keeps gay people from posting here, and I'd like to hear their opinion too.
I guess I figure if he can go after whatever personal topic about me he likes, so can I about him. Could not care less in general.

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