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That seems to be a very well balanced, thoughtful analysis.

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Ethanol will be a dead end. I think this is the future we are looking at:

http://www.exn.ca/Stories/1998/10/20/52.asp

The Nazis ran their war machine on this stuff. We have limitless supplies of coal, and using this process it can easily be converted to diesel fuel. I let you in on a little secret: this is the one the oil companies are betting on when the oil runs out. They are all currently investing heavily in this directionand in their coal holdings. Just look at the logic of it: they can continue to use their exisiting refineries to produce this fuel using resources they own, and unlike the cornpone idea of using corn to fuel a fleet of 100 million vehicles, coal is virtually limitless in the US. The idea they are going to cut the farmers in on their gold mine is ridiculous. I mean, what kind of predatory monopoly would that be? They wouldn't be able to show their faces down at Walmart or over at Microsoft. To them, this is the one - this process keeps them in charge of the energy market using their methods and equipment that fits more closely with their mindset without the paradiem shift.

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That seems to be a very well balanced, thoughtful analysis.
It's the truth. Everyone in the energy business knows this. There really is only two possible futures - synthetic diesel or a return to nuclear power to run electric cars. Ethanol, while a good additive, is a lousy fuel.
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NBC and CBS ran shows on Sunday about Ethanol, Dateline and 60 Minutes. Last night ABC had a news article on it as well. They were all showing ethanol as THE answer to the fuel issue, using the example of Brazil. I know, I know. Just saying all the networks jumped on it.

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When Rudolph Diesel developed his engine in the late 1800's there was no diesel fuel off course, he made his diesel fuel from soy bean oil and declare it a bonanza for farmers, since they could make there own fuel for their tractors and sell the oil for fuel, he mysteriously disappeared when crossing the channel from Germany to England (the rumors are that the future oil barons in great future wisdom were behind it) to promote his engine and fuel, lots cleaner than the black soothing coal used for the bulky and cumbersome steam engines of the day.

The truth of the matter is that diesel engines run just as good on vegetable diesel, there is no loss in performance whatsoever in running bio-diesel and no other BS issues by using bio-diesel, Bio-Diesel is a very viable fuel, the added bonus is that they pollute less especially when NOX and sulfur is concerned, they do not add carbon to the atmosphere, since the carbon emitted during combustion is re absorbed by the plant during their growth, the fuel for the plants to grow comes from the sun for the photosynthesis making it the most efficient solar power system.

Electric cars are a bunch of hype, just switching the source of pollution from the car to the plant making the electricity.

Just some trivia, a cyclist like Armstrong who won the Tour de France, if he is pedaling a bicycle connected to a small generator he can generate enough electricity to power a 20W light bulb for about 5 to 8 minutes before he exhausts himself and his output dec
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Actually, Rudolph's first engine was designed to use coal dust, but it exploded. His first working model used peanut oil.

And, the EORI figures they came up with on the ethanol from sugar cane was 5.

If you think it isn't possible, try telling the Brazillians they're not actually doing what they are doing. They'll laugh at you.

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I have a little vial of Ethyl Alcohol. What is the proper way to dispose of it?

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Its been said you should always give Ethyl to Ethel, so you can pump Ethel after pumping Ethyl.
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Wiki says:

Ethanol, also known as ethyl alcohol or grain alcohol, is a flammable, colorless chemical compound, one of the alcohols that is most often found in alcoholic beverages. In common parlance, it is often referred to simply as alcohol. Its molecular is C2H6O, variously represented as EtOH, C2H5OH or as its empirical formula C2H6O.

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BUT, Note that "absolute" alcohol, which is close to 100% ethanol, may nevertheless contain traces of 2-propanol, together with methanol or benzene. The latter two are very toxic, while "denatured" alcohol has substances added to it which make it unpleasant and possibly hazardous to consume.

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