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RE: Could this Invention Save us from our Dependence on Oil?

firstmb, your headline is a bit overly dramatic. All this "invention" is is a solid catalyst that will transesterify vegetable oil in the presence of an alcohol. You still need feedstock inputs, and all the farmland in the US is not even close enough to satisfy just our transportation needs let alone all the other crap we use oil for.

The best hope for renewables to meet future energy needs is first of all, diversification. Wind, solar, hydro, geo-thermal all have parts to play. Biomass can help with oil and alcohol stocks. For biodiesel specifically, algae grown in CO2 and effluent streams could produce the most vegetable oil without compromising the land we grow our food on.

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RE: Could this Invention Save us from our Dependence on Oil?

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no, it cannot... because then we need vegetable oil.

Where do you suppose we get the 20 million barrels(is 55 gallons what they're always talking about when they say a barrel?)of vegetable oil we'd burn a day?

I am not too up on the current market, how much oil do we use a day, exactly? I know I use 2 gallons a day and it still costs too much-- 10 cents increase since yesterday, how many weeks will we see a dime a week increase and whos started the betting pool?

I'll put 20 bux on $3.37 being the high for diesel this summer=)
The paper I read said that this method could use any organic source - even garbage, to produce bio-diesel. Give that it does not need some high grade source like corn oil, this is entirely possible.
The essay posted says the device needs vegetable oil?

How exactly is trash turned into oil? Can you find the other paper you read again? I'd like the link if you can!

This is the whole reason I got the 240, not that I've done anything with vegetable oil... well, beyond dumping a gallon of wesson in the tank from time to time and wowing friends and family[:p]

Plus, hes a handsome motorcoach.

Ohh... to build a 240SL-D with a 5 speed manual.. I'd just adore that!


I guess I just assume most people read on the internet, I don't even go to the library anymore (thanks, JSTOR![:D]) If you remember the source of the paper in print, that'd be just as nice too heh heh

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RE: Could this Invention Save us from our Dependence on Oil?

But if 'X' million pieces of farm equipment can use grow your own - it still reduces the total number of barrels coming in - heck any excess can be sold -

Maybe a good way for cane farmers to not need 1.2 billion in annual US Gov subsidies
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RE: Could this Invention Save us from our Dependence on Oil?

Can someone put up the link for this process?
Here is my opinion: This sounds good but what's the real cost associated with this process? How much energy is actually used up to filter and handle the fuel? The fact is that we know how to do this for oil and there is an existing infrastructure to support its distribution. Would this new fuel create a parallel infrastructure or simply some integration is the prescription?

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