kvining - 4/11/2006 11:03 AM
430 - 4/11/2006 8:00 AM
kvining - 4/10/2006 5:57 PM
DARKTECH - 4/10/2006 4:25 PM
This would be a good time to arrest them while they are all together. They also need to arrest the people that employ them. I just saw the huge crowds on tv, where the hell are that many people going to find enough bathrooms? You know those places are going to reek tomorrow. Maybe they can get a job cleaning up after themselves.
Ship them all back and make them wait in line like everyone else. They need to get an employer to sponsor them and pay a substantial fee to help pay back some of the money they have cost taxpayers.
I am not against people trying to better thenselves, I just want them to play by the rules like most of the other people do.
I just don't buy what you and felkhound are selling. They are here, because we wanted them here. We gave them jobs. We rented them houses. We are making a killing off of them, because every dime they pay in SSI essentially gets confiscated from them. The idea that we can do some kind of jack booted mass arrests of 30 million people, many who have children that are US citizens or are parents of US citizens, is just ridiculous chest beating. Just who is going to be left to cook your fucking hamburger? I tell you who, The Hamburger Cookers Union - you're gonna love that. Or the Chinese who hide in boats, who once again we will give jobs to, and rent houses to.
There aren't enough bullwhips and jackboots in the country for your military fantasies of Stormtroopers rounding up 30 million brown people who piss you off, but there are powerful market forces that can be brought to bear if hiring them is forcefully outlawed - they will be faced with no demand for their labor, and they will simply go home. The problem is not illegal aliens, it is illegal employers, who I think are racketeers and traitors. If we are not ready to do that, then we need to get used to them or absorb them all.
So according to KV enforcing the law is a Jack Booted operation? So you are a Nazi if you believe in the rule of law? Or is it only laws you disagree with?
Hate to tell you but many of the illegals are paid under the table. No Social Security Number no SSI with holdings.
That is simply not true. Please review this cgrowing list of who hires illegals:
You will see that it is full of legitimate corporations. The truth is, you don't have to pay them under the table - just hire them, and obey the tax laws, and the rest is a breeze.
And yes, arresting scrub women and janitors, and throwing them into prison as felons is fascist. These people are here because we invited them here. They also have a claim to this country, because we stole most of it from their grandparents, or we forced their grandparents to flee from our genocide to live in perpetual poverty while we lived off the fat of THEIR land. The Mexicans have a unique claim to this country, and they have paid an enormous price for our theft and murder, and that should rate them an amount of simple respect. The idea that they should go to the back of the line is simply unjust. Our history has been deeply intertwined with theirs for three hundred years, and we might as well admit that we just ought to abandon the idea of separate nationhood and start learning to live together in a true democracy - same goes for Canada. I couldn't agree more with Bot's idea of some kind of federalized democracy that is modelled more on the original idea of America. That was in fact what Jefferson envisioned - a nation where we could acquire any state and allow that state to maintain a distinct culture under one condition: they guaranteed their citizens a "republican form of government under the Bill of Rights and the Constitution".
They come here, and work hard for low wages. Doing so does not make them criminals. Our Cogress, paid off by corporate fat cats has riddled the laws with loops holes so companies CAN HIRE THEM, which to me is a de facto legalization of their status by the Congress. As I repeatedly say, if you want to arrest someone, arrest them.