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"In this exhibition, Katsushika Hokusai charges out of the dimness of art history as if on a golden chariot, glittering and clattering with genius, armed to the teeth in talent."



"Hokusai" is at the Freer Gallery of Art through May 14.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/07/arts/design/07hoku.html


Simultaneously, the stunning "Cézanne in Provence" continues at the National Gallery, through May 7.



http://www.nga.gov/exhibitions/cezanneinfo.shtm

For you art history lovers out there. You know who you are [:)]
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Well fuck me,culture and taste prevail in OT.[|)]
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Well fuck me,culture and taste prevail in OT.[|)]
Well, maybe... [:)]

I posted this not only to beautify OT for the day, but for one particularly cultured & educated member who might weigh in, who knows. But he knows who he is, I'd wager [;)] Actually had him in mind with the college thread too. [|)]

Now I should start a poll so people can guess who the f*ck I'm talking about. No, it's not GM or Morph..
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Although I love the impressionists, I am a Surrealist at heart. I could post Dali and Magritte all day. The oriental stuff has never interested me. I am planning a trip to St. Petersburg Fl to take in this spot:

http://www.salvadordalimuseum.org/home.html

This is a great site for viewing his work on the web:

http://www.dali-gallery.com/html/paintings.htm

If you ever visit Houston, take in the Menil Museum of Modern Art - a true secret. They have one of the finest collections of Magritte paintings and sculpture in the world:

http://www.menil.org/

But only Dali, is Dali:










Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

-President Barack Obama, 1st Inaugural address
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Ha!-Coincidently,I'm wearing my Dali Havidson T-shirt today,whereon the wheels of the Electra Glide are melting and dripping in the style of 'The persistence of Time'.I'm amazed how many people don't get it.If I've explained it once........[V]
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a trip to DC may have to be scheduled.

I did see Cezanne exhibit at PMA (Phila. Mus. of Art) about 10 years ago but one can never have too much Cezanne. Provence is an ideal match for his palatte.

Hokusai prints are always pleasure to behold. Although his images can be seen parodied everywhere and some may have had their fill, an opportunity to come face to face with the original is always a treat.


Menil Collection in Houston is perhaps one of the most beautiful art museums I have visited, both in terms of the building itself and its integration with exhibits inside. Beautiful light bouncing off the lightweight concrete slats is offset by dark stained pine floor which almost feels like you are standing on still water. Time seem to stop in that gallery space.




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The impact Japanese prints have had on art history is very strong indeed! I've never been a fan of them, though. They’re too simple, devoid of meaning. They are wholly decorative and lack any reason for being made beyond aesthetic pleasentness. They say nothing, but they’re sure pretty, huh?

Something that I do appreciate about these works is the cloisonné style they’ve brought, the patterned areas, the heavy outlining. They gave impressionism a jumping off point just as photography did... and without both; without photography and the opening up of the east and its subsequent showings at the expositions universale that spurned nearly every art movement directly following, we wouldn’t have dustinism or Thomas Kinkade, now would we? [:p]

Personally, I favor the (northern)renaissance. The attention to detail, the multiplicity of meaning, they make the works ultimately enjoyable to me. There is something very comforting (to me) about NOT knowing the entire reason for an images creation, you know? There is something gorgeous about incomplete research, about reading dusty old volume after dusty old volume to be able to decode the visual vocabulary of these works.

The prints shown are important to the history of art, they are important to contemporary art and they are important documents for their intended audience, but for me...

Art is about Christianity. Art is about multiple meanings, about intense colors, about huge scale and about putting the fear of god into ones audience. It isn’t only about an object that looks pretty hanging on a wall... it has to mean something.

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This said-- and why am i writing essays when they arent being graded, huh? ive never studied these prints or objects because i just never thought they were interesting. hopefully i feigned knowledge enough to make a credible argument(look kv-- i got it this time) [:D]

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Don't forget Hiroshige and Harunobu.
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a trip to DC may have to be scheduled.
Hmm... perhaps we should go together. You could teach me more about Hokusai and perhaps I could say a thing or two about Cézanne. I studied the latter formally but not the former. Now there's a sentence invested with, uh, tropic potential [8D]

The National Gallery has one of my favorite Botticellis too, about which I can talk forever. Don't even get me started [:p] Of course, the best Botticelli of all is in the National Gallery, London. "Venus and Mars"



So guess what Venus is thinking...
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Art is about Christianity. Art is about multiple meanings, about intense colors, about huge scale and about putting the fear of god into ones audience. It isn’t only about an object that looks pretty hanging on a wall... it has to mean something.
Now tell me, what does "meaning" mean? I'm not being argumentative here. Once in an art history course, I was put to this very task: tell us, what do we mean by "meaning"? It's been a long time since art was divorced from representation, so that's no place to start.

After all, some of the best art of the past century had art itself, or even that very example of art, as its "topic". And in many fields, art with a "program" is typically derided as the least "meaningful" of all. Music for example.

I can't stand lectures which focus on the "subject matter". Along with Ortega y Gasset, I consider that the absolutely stupid aspect of a work. But at the same time, I don't pretend it's completely irrelevant.

Not at all sure that Hokusai's work says nothing, only that it doesn't speak to you. Even the essay linked above contains many clues to levels of "meaning" in his work. He was clearly much more than an illustrator, although even an illustrator, if talented enough, can be captivating; e.g. Canaletto.

Finally, why do you say "Art is about Christianity"? Can't a work of art have one (intended) (non-Christian?) meaning, be monochromatic, small, inviting, and pretty? That is, the exact opposite of everything you list above? You or I might not respect it, it might not be to our taste, but does that mean it's not art?


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