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Well, its about as simple as I could make it for the average guy. Feel free to object.
I think that was quite clear !!!

Add one other point -

While connected to that open network - your own computer is now a target for any *other* freak connected to that open network.

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Firewall, virus protection keeps others from actually accessing your computer's hard drive or other local resources. It has no effect of what you are putting up in the air. The Internet works off of "packets", which you can visualize as like a letter envelope. When you start transmitting, its just like throwing one envelope after another into the air for your receiver to catch. It's easy for someone to intercept the packets after they have left your computer and before your receiver gets it, read what is in them, and then pass it to your receiver as if he had never intercepted them so you don't even know what is happening. The hacker is looking for the envelopes that contain your Social Security, credit card numbers, and your personal emails. A big open network that you jump on is prime beef for the hacker, a juicy target indeed.

Secured networks work by putting a lock on the packet. You have half the key, and your receiver has the other half. If someone intercepts it, the envelop contains gibberish if he only has half the key.


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RE: Mercy please ... wireless question

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Well, its about as simple as I could make it for the average guy. Feel free to object.
I think that was quite clear !!!

Add one other point -

While connected to that open network - your own computer is now a target for any *other* freak connected to that open network.
Not your computer itself, your transmissions after they leave your computer are what's vulnerable.

Recall that earlier generations faced down fascism and communism not just with missiles and tanks, but with sturdy alliances and enduring convictions. They understood that our power alone cannot protect us, nor does it entitle us to do as we please. Instead, they knew that our power grows through its prudent use; our security emanates from the justness of our cause, the force of our example, the tempering qualities of humility and restraint.

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RE: Mercy please ... wireless question

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kvining - 3/28/2006 11:20 PM

Well, its about as simple as I could make it for the average guy. Feel free to object.
I think that was quite clear !!!

Add one other point -

While connected to that open network - your own computer is now a target for any *other* freak connected to that open network.
Yes, if you are not firewalled. Even on an open connection, your firewall should keep a hacker from slinging something back at you that he can then use to remotely control your computer. If he really wants to put the effort into it, he could sling you a phony web page with some enticement for you to click a link - you have to perform some type of action to allow him to get behind your firewall. That's why you should never click any links in emails that come from some unknown source, or respond to "too good to be true" offers on web pages.


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Not your computer itself, your transmissions after they leave your computer are what's vulnerable.
Both - I am a network admin - If I can get pinged - I can owned :-) - I fight it every day

If the wireless net is completely open - a dozen tools will give active IP addresses - even with a personal firewall installed - a few more tools will let someone use port 80 (standard http) to put a rootkit

After that your ass is his!

I just had a guy in my company own3d that way. The only reason I even found it was the guy (or gal) that own3d it dumped an SMTP bot on it as well.

When my network warned me of the illegal SMTP traffic I checked out his machine - a whole directory of warez was there -

Absolutly everything on that box was open to that hacker.

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That's true, but Microsoft is supposed to be plugging those holes as they pop up. Fat chance, I'm sure.

Here's the best tool for protecting yourself from this type of hacking - its a Beta but we're making it a standard install on all our machines because it works so good:

http://www.download.com/3120-20_4-0.html?tag=srch&qt=microsoft+spyware&tg=dl-20&search.x=21&search.y=4

Click on Microsoft Defender Beta and follow the instructions to install it. Also, if you click that link, beautiful Asian women will come to your house and perform oral sex on you for nothing.


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RE: Mercy please ... wireless question

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Not your computer itself, your transmissions after they leave your computer are what's vulnerable.
Both - I am a network admin - If I can get pinged - I can owned :-) - I fight it every day

If the wireless net is completely open - a dozen tools will give active IP addresses - even with a personal firewall installed - a few more tools will let someone use port 80 (standard http) to put a rootkit

After that your ass is his!

I just had a guy in my company own3d that way. The only reason I even found it was the guy (or gal) that own3d it dumped an SMTP bot on it as well.

When my network warned me of the illegal SMTP traffic I checked out his machine - a whole directory of warez was there -

Absolutly everything on that box was open to that hacker.

edit - typo

Sounds like someone dropped a eggdrop on their computer. Or just a general bot. What they do is basically make that PC into a Server for Warez.. Fun stuff!

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Oh yes - it was fun - they dumped a root.exe on the machine. standard escalation of privelege and just set up their own "peer to peer" server - No Kazaa required :-)

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Oh yes - it was fun - they dumped a root.exe on the machine. standard escalation of privelege and just set up their own "peer to peer" server - No Kazaa required :-)
Nope, basically it is IRC DCC Requests.

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