Botnst - 3/29/2006 7:11 AM
azimuth - 3/28/2006 11:49 PM
kvining - 3/28/2006 11:22 AM
I don't buy the "jobs nobody wants" BS. Mexico doesn't produce just bean pickers, they produce plumbers, carpenters and college grads just like any other nation does, and I am seeing more and more of them everywhere. Business loves them, and quite frankly uses them to bust unions. When I was a kid, you could go to a construction site, go to work as a "helper", make good money if you worked hard while you learned a trade. No more. Go to a construction job site. It's all fucking Mexicans, from the lowest paid laborers to the master level workers.
Plain and simple, it's racketeering. Businesses that use legal labor are driven out of business by crooks and traitors who hire illegals. They are aiding and abetting a foreign army that has invaded us without guns, and they get a free pass because they have the GOP whores sucking their cranks. Until we throw a few CEO's in prison, this will never,never stop. We have two choices - either start locking up those who hire them while we confiscate their businesses and turn their assets over to those who compete legally, or annex the country. Fences, jackboot border stormtroopers, all are stupid ideas that won't work, which is why the GOP dick suckers are in favor of them. Not one word about a national biometric ID for SS cards. Not one word defining those who hire illegals as traitors. Just phony authoritarian bullshit. 40% of illegals got here by overstaying vistor's visas. If the Mexicans stop coming, they will simply be replaced by Chinese and Jamaicans hiding in ships, while the Mexicans save up for a plane ticket to Disneyland. There is only one place to attack this - put employers in prison.
For the most part, this man nailed the analysis. Human beings are all about motivation. For this issue the motivation is profit. Remove that, and no more issue. The free market has been tweeked artificially with this sort of labor. If we un tweek it, the pendulum will swing wildly the other way for a while. It will be painful. We may not survive the ramifications in the short term.
I prefer to follow certain priciples; one of which is following and enforcing the law. While corrective measures may be devastating to the economy, I believe they are still better in the long run. To sacrifice principles for convenience or comfort is to have no principles at all........and we know where that leads us.
You are dead on with your perspective, KV
It isn't artificial at all. It is pure market dynamics.
There is a need for cheap manual labor. Americans aren't filling the need. Nature abhors a vacuum, so illegal immigrants fill the void and company owners increase profits, stockholders see an increase in value, and consumers see cheap products.
Restrict the influx of illegals and prices in the USA will rise to a level at which Americans willingly undertake the back-breaking labor currently filled by illegals. Our internally produced items will rise in cost to produce, reducing profits, making stockholders antsy. Companies raise prices.
Consumers get pissed.
Producers from outside of the USA see prices rise in the USA and become competitive as transportation costs are equilibrated with the product price rise.
Competition increases and stockholders' profits decline.
Company value declines.
Company calls for protective tariffs.
Tariffs protect company from competition that holds prices down.
Prices increase to attract stockholders.
Tariffs raised to protect company.
American workers organize and demand more benefits and higher wages.
Without pressure to innovate, native company serves only the interest of stockholders.
Unionized workers want 'fair share' of corporate profits.
Union demand met.
Consumers bitch and moan and begin to buy foreign products because price parity is no longer as important as product quality.
They begin to buy foreign product regardless of price.
Consumers see they're getting screwed by protectionism and demand removal of tariffs.
Ever seen a pattern like this before? It's coming to a neighborhood near you.
What's the solution?
LEGAL GUEST WORKERS. Allow them to bring their families. Offer a path to citizenship. Let them buy into our system legally.