kvining - 3/28/2006 9:46 PM
lear31a driver - 3/28/2006 9:09 PM
I also usually keep quiet concerning political posts, but maybe some hind sight is worth a comment or two.
My history as far as war was Viet Nam, a Marine pilot flying f4's after Nixon lifted the ban on Northern raids. We engaged enemy aircraft, primarily MIG's, dropped crap loads of explosives and took out dozens of military objectives. Before I enlisted, I didn't witness four civilian aircraft used as missles. I didn't worry about some third world country detonating an atomic bomb in LA.
Our situation today is vastly different than 1969-73.
I truly believe that left unchecked, radical groups (Sunnis, Shiites, ect) will and can inflict massive damage on this country, and those that support us. Damage to an extent that few of you could ever imagine. I am afraid that my grandson may see New York on a map, or in photos as we see the Trade Center Towers today.
Yes, we need better direction in Iraq ... but we still need to kick the asses of those that defy our efforts of stabilizing their country. War is not, nor will it ever be a logical matter to round table and resolve.
We lost Viet Nam because of debate, mis direction and political values that weighed more than the mission at hand. Few people realize what a piece of real estate that was for the USSR. Great place to place a few ICBMs. We did a job well done, and many of us died in the process. I'll never forget my reception back in the US ... someone spotting my aviator wings and asking if dropping bombs on children was worth it. No parades, no songs, no free beers.
By the way, let's not forget the other fronts, Iran, North Korea to name a couple.
I am sure the Russians had lots of nice places for ICBMs, and I doubt if they put any in Vietnam. The lesson of Vietnam is crystal clear - we should never engage in war as a divided nation. Bush went head long into war, and cared little for how any felt, and instead of leading the democratic process, he manipulated to get a war that HE wanted.
Terrorists already have a million places to operate from - Somali, Columbia, now Venezuela. Our defense against them is not the World War II-style war of occupation that failed in Vietnam - it is modern intelligence methods, and diplomcy to establish cooperative connections between our intelligence apparatus and other countries. Instead, he has shredded the Atlantic alliance, and pissed off the entire world. By acting like jack booted fascists, invading, torturing, occupying, we invite the same treatment the Nazis got.
Perhaps you should consider the opinions of Congressman Murtha, a Vietnam vet who once thought like you do, and now opposes the war, on the grounds it has the opposite effect.